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Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims?

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On 5/5/18 9:21 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On 2018-05-04 23:50:56 +0000, Snit said:
> 
>> On 5/4/18 2:40 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Friday, May 4, 2018 at 3:14:01 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>>>> On 5/4/18 1:08 PM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>>>>> Which Muslim countries? It is not as cut and dried as many think
>>>>> As not as peachy as liberal propaganda would have one think:
>>>>
>>>> I pointed to Politifact... not any "liberal propaganda".
>>>
>>> LOL!
>>>
>>> The way they amass data to produce what they do is goofy.
>>> You actually believe that bizarre method is on the level? They
>>> rated HRC as the most honest politician to run for POTUS
>>> in the last decade, which is *off the chart* ridiculous.
>>>
>> Where do they rate ANY politician as honest or not? They rate 
>> STATEMENTS as honest or not, but as far as I know not politicians.
> 
> There are 3rd parties that analyze their conclusions on the whole.

Yes: I have seen people saying so-and-so is X% honest. This is a 
misreading of what Politifact claims. I will even go so far as to say 
Politfact sometimes encourages such misreadings, such as on this page:

<http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/lists/people/comparing-hillary-clinton-donald-trump-truth-o-met/> 
OR <https://goo.gl/VM5dN7>

Still, if you look at their methodology page there is nothing to suggest 
they are rating any given person on their level of honesty OVERALL:

<http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/article/2018/feb/12/principles-truth-o-meter-politifacts-methodology-i/> 
OR <https://goo.gl/fTuK4s>

> When you look at the whole a pattern emerges.
> 
> In a famous example of how they do what they do, the Ron Paul 1913 
> income tax claim was labeled as "Half true". Some democrat made the same 
> claim and it was rated "Mostly true". Politifact was even forced to walk 
> it back when this was pointed out... and they weren't even forthcoming 
> in *why* they 'reconsidered' it:
> 
> <https://me.me/i/half-true-ron-paul-pol-act-says-the-u-s-federal-3128238>
> 
>  From Politifact:
> "Correction (Dec. 20, 2016): This fact-check initially published on Aug. 
> 24, 2015, and was rated Mostly True. Upon reconsideration, we are 
> changing our ruling to Half True. The text of the fact-check is unchanged."
> 
> <http://www.politifact.com/virginia/statements/2015/aug/24/jim-webb/jim-webb-says-us-didnt-have-income-taxes-until-191/> 

I certainly do not claim they are perfect. Heck, my "favorite" (though 
unsupportable") example of this is how they rated a Sanders' comment as 
not true when he was asked some question and started his response by 
saying he did not know but would guess whatever. His guess, clearly 
stated as a guess, was incorrect. Perhaps he should have know the actual 
answer (cannot even recall what it was) but they rated his comment as 
untrue... as if he lied.

They later removed that page -- and there is no mention of it anywhere I 
can find so I cannot prove it or get more details.

> The idea they're playing fair and square is bogus.
> 
>> As far as Clinton, she is deeply dishonest...
> 
> Yet, when looking at Politifact claims on the whole, she comes out above 
> Obama.

Based on a misreading of their comments, sure. But that is on the 
reader, not them (though it might be good for them to have content 
better explaining this... and maybe they do... but I do not see it on a 
quick look).


-- 
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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:56 -0700
  Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:07 +0000
    Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:10 -0700
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:33 +0000
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 05:39 +0000
    Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:12 -0400
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-04 09:00 -0500
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 10:11 -0400
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 07:19 -0700
          Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:30 +0000
            Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:43 -0600
              Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:54 +0000
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:00 -0700
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
    Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:19 -0400
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:45 -0600
          Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:54 +0000
            Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 09:20 -0600
              Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 15:27 +0000
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 09:30 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 08:37 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:51 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:18 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:32 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 16:40 +0000
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:41 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:01 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:05 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 12:36 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:08 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:13 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 14:40 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 16:50 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 18:53 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:21 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:37 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:19 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 12:03 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 12:58 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:15 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:19 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:25 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:42 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:56 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 15:40 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 17:27 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:22 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:29 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:38 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:42 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:54 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 04:33 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 02:46 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 15:20 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:31 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:06 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:16 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 12:34 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:48 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 17:41 -0400

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