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Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do.

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do.
Date 2018-05-05 10:27 -0700
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On 5/5/18 9:00 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
...>>> SCOTUS should hear it this fall according to the article:
>>> "Because of the Supreme Court's crowded spring calendar, it may not 
>>> hear the Bakke case until next fall. Its decision could shape the 
>>> nation's employment and university-admissions policies for years to 
>>> come."
>>>
>>> <http://www.newsweek.com/affirmative-action-reverse-discrimination-645648> 
>>>
>>>
>> As I said, I understand the arguments against it AND am against it 
>> myself.
> 
> I see this as a textbook example of owl's point. Why are you against it?

I am against affirmative action because as noble as I think the goals 
are, I think it goes about it incorrectly. Quota focus on groups of 
people based on color or ethnicity over focusing on individuals.

>> I also, though, understand why people support it and it at least 
>> generally has NOTHING to do with wanting to discriminate against whites.
> 
> It doesn't matter why one supports it, that one has done so doesn't 
> change it from discrimination into something else simply because it's 
> been given a more palatable name.

What I am talking about is the broader picture of why it is supported... 
right now (and historically even more than now) there has been a HUGE 
imbalance in opportunity based on color in the favor of whites over 
blacks. This still very much exists now and while it is better than it 
was 100 years ago, it has not changed much since we were kids. This IS a 
problem and quotas are designed to fight against that inequality.

> That I've ever seen, the majority of people who claim to support it do 
> so on the basis of their belief that 'it's the right thing to do' more 
> so than they believe it's fair.

It is supported to help place in balance an unbalanced system. If you 
saw a group of kids who pushed and shoved to get cookies and this lead 
to the smallest kids never getting any, then it might make sense to hand 
the cookies to those kids who keep losing out first. That is affirmative 
action (roughly).

A better system, though, would be to disallow the bigger kids from 
pushing and shoving. Do not allow them to use power to get special 
entitlements... do not stop ALL bigger kids from getting cookies because 
some shove (and even those who do not, to tie it to the analogy, benefit 
from it).

>> Meanwhile we KNOW that overall blacks have it far worse off in America 
>> than do whites, but Owl (and you it seems) are completely blind to this.
> 
> How does my pointing out that a CA court agreed with owl equate to me 
> recognizing what anyone claims to "KNOW" on *any* other issue?
> How did you make that bizarre leap?

So be clear: do you recognize that blacks generally face many challenges 
based on the color of their skin that you and I do not, again based 
merely on the color of our skin?

I have not seen anything from you suggesting you do, but it has been 
years since I have regularly read your posts and you could have said 
something in that time or said things years ago I do not recall.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 06:54 -0500
  Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Peter Köhlmann <peter-koehlmann@t-online.de> - 2018-05-02 16:42 +0200
    Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 09:28 -0700
  Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-02 11:08 -0400
    Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-02 08:16 -0700
    Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-02 11:50 -0500
      Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-02 17:17 -0400
        Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-02 15:08 -0700
          Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-02 22:43 +0000
            Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-02 19:28 -0400
              Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 17:31 -0700
              Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-03 19:21 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 17:05 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-03 21:42 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 19:02 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 08:03 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 03:18 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:27 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 03:55 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:57 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:13 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:19 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:19 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:05 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-03 21:33 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 18:47 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 03:21 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 08:04 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 16:05 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:07 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 16:20 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:33 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 22:00 -0700
            Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-02 17:11 -0700
              Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-03 01:03 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-02 18:15 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-03 01:24 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-02 18:33 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-03 01:45 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-02 18:54 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 07:13 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 10:54 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-03 11:40 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 10:30 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-03 09:08 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 08:22 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 10:53 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-03 19:22 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-03 21:33 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 19:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 03:23 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:28 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:00 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:02 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:06 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 08:05 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 10:36 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 03:25 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:29 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:02 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:07 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:21 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:25 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:06 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-04 05:49 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:37 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-04 10:32 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 08:35 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 15:57 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:06 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:29 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:03 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:00 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:27 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:14 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:18 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 11:53 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:37 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:03 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:20 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:36 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 14:44 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:54 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 17:22 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 09:06 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:52 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 10:32 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 10:39 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 12:00 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 11:12 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 11:19 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 12:40 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 12:11 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 13:43 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 12:55 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 14:20 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 14:03 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 14:37 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 14:50 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 14:51 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-06 22:24 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 15:33 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-05-06 22:37 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 15:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-06 22:52 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Brick <brick@mortar.invalid> - 2018-05-06 22:59 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 16:02 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Brick <brick@mortar.invalid> - 2018-05-06 23:04 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 16:06 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Brick <brick@mortar.invalid> - 2018-05-06 23:20 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 16:23 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Brick <brick@mortar.invalid> - 2018-05-06 23:38 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 21:17 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 16:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 08:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 15:38 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 12:11 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 11:25 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 13:43 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 07:07 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 15:29 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:19 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 19:47 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:06 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 21:16 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 15:54 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-05 23:24 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 17:30 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-06 12:42 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-06 11:18 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:47 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 09:14 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:56 -0700
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                Re: Is BlueEyed Norway your "more equal, low-carbon" ideal ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 08:25 -0700
                Re: Is BlueEyed Norway your "more equal, low-carbon" ideal ? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 11:27 -0700
                Re: Is BlueEyed Norway your "more equal, low-carbon" ideal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 11:37 -0700
                BrownEyed "Cuba, North Korea and Nepal" appear to be your ideal. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-06 13:15 -0700
                Re: BrownEyed "Cuba, North Korea and Nepal" appear to be your ideal. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 13:18 -0700
                Re: BrownEyed "Cuba, North Korea and Nepal" appear to be your ideal. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 13:32 -0700
                Re: BrownEyed "Cuba, North Korea and Nepal" appear to be your ideal. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 14:35 -0700
                Re: BrownEyed "Cuba, North Korea and Nepal" appear to be your ideal. % <persent@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 14:41 -0700
                Re: BrownEyed "Cuba, North Korea and Nepal" appear to be your ideal. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 14:49 -0700
                Re: Is BlueEyed Norway your "more equal, low-carbon" ideal ? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 12:58 -0600
                Re: Is BlueEyed Norway your "more equal, low-carbon" ideal ? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 12:15 -0700
                "CrackHead" is a pejorative -- it might be natural. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-06 13:34 -0700
                Re: "CrackHead" is a pejorative -- it might be natural. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 14:37 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:41 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-06 11:11 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:46 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-06 11:00 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-06 10:52 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:44 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:35 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:41 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:47 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 19:17 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:08 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:16 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 14:42 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:46 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 14:49 -0600
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:56 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 09:09 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 09:55 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 10:40 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 10:49 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-06 11:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-06 11:25 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 07:09 -0700
                MainStream Media worships BlueEyed Norway. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-05-05 09:04 -0700
                Re: MainStream Media worships BlueEyed Norway. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-05-05 12:36 -0400
                Re: MainStream Media worships BlueEyed Norway. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:42 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 07:25 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:15 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 10:40 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 17:23 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:29 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-07 15:20 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 12:40 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 12:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 03:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 17:40 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-05-07 04:14 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 04:24 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-07 09:48 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 08:50 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:18 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-07 17:36 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 10:44 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 07:02 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 15:58 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 09:09 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 09:19 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 10:13 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 09:13 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 09:26 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 16:57 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 10:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 13:50 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:07 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 12:37 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 14:28 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 13:39 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 17:14 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 14:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 12:55 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 12:22 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 12:59 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 13:40 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 13:58 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 19:05 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 19:53 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 07:04 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 08:00 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 08:24 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 08:29 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 08:56 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 09:44 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 10:23 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 10:27 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 11:12 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 11:41 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 12:16 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 13:51 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:03 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 14:11 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 14:47 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 16:30 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 17:14 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 17:37 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 18:20 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 19:55 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 20:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 20:38 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 20:39 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 08:10 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:21 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:28 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 09:33 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 09:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 10:09 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-10 10:20 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-10 10:54 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 20:50 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 20:02 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 17:29 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 10:25 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-09 07:16 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 07:40 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-09 08:20 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 09:14 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 11:47 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 09:49 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 17:18 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 10:19 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 12:29 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 12:59 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 02:05 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 12:41 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 17:49 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 13:07 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:17 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 18:20 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:23 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 13:28 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 18:43 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 17:10 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 14:14 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 14:34 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 12:56 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 14:31 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-08 13:42 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-08 18:55 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 17:20 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 14:47 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 17:16 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 14:45 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-08 14:28 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 11:01 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-08 15:33 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-09 08:00 -0500
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-09 07:33 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-08 09:24 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 09:44 -0700
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 08:09 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
            Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 17:27 -0500
        Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-03 07:12 -0500
          Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-03 11:46 -0400
      Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-02 16:37 -0500
        Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-03 19:31 -0400
          Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-03 19:58 -0500
            Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 03:27 +0000
              Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-05-04 05:49 -0400
                Re: I simply enjoy it too much, as Americans do. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-05-05 19:10 -0500

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