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Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims?

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims?
Date 2018-05-04 09:32 -0700
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On 5/4/18 9:18 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> Do you believe you'd like it more or less if the majority of the
>>> population were Muslim?  And why do you believe it
>>> (whatever your answer is)?
>>>
>> Depends on the people involved. With the poll I showed it appears 
>> that, currently, Christians are pushing more (in higher percentages) 
>> than are Muslims. BUT that is breaking down Christians by group and 
>> NOT Muslims. If you look at many of their Christian groups they are 
>> also fairly open to equal rights (in this area).
>>
>> Overall, worldwide, I believe Muslims tend to be more conservative 
>> (pushing against equal rights and for their own special entitlements). 
>> I would not want to see that growing in the US... from ANY group.
> 
> We're not going to get a choice there, Muslims birth rates will decide 
> the issue. By the time the percentage becomes large enough for it to 
> become any kind of major problem you'll probably be dead anyway.

What makes you think it will be any bigger of a problem than the one we 
already have with Christians?

Really the bigger issue we have is growing income inequality tied to 
redistribution of money to the very rich. When you have that you get 
hopelessness, civil unrest, fear, and conservationism grows. Equal 
rights are restricted and large numbers of people blame each other for 
their problems. We see that already with people blaming immigrants 
(legal or not), blacks, the poor, Jews, gays, etc. They fail to see they 
have a lot more in common with these groups than they do the 1% who 
siphons off most of the new wealth in the nation.

> The 
> question is really geared more towards how your offspring are affected 
> and how you feel about that, given Muslims are, as you say, "more 
> conservative".

I am far more worried about the abuses from the corporations and the 
very wealthy than I am any religion... if we have liberal financial 
policy (pushing a stronger tie between hard work / productivity and 
financial gain) and strong safety nets for those who need them (while 
maintaining our low levels of abuse) then we will see prosperity.

We also need to fund infrastructure and investments in the future 
(something Obama and Trump promised but Obama did little for, even with 
the massive stimulus packages) and Trump likely will also not do.

-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

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Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 20:56 -0700
  Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:07 +0000
    Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-03 21:10 -0700
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 04:33 +0000
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 05:39 +0000
    Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:12 -0400
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-05-04 09:00 -0500
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 10:11 -0400
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 07:19 -0700
          Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:30 +0000
            Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:43 -0600
              Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:54 +0000
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:00 -0700
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
    Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 09:19 -0400
      Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:28 +0000
        Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:45 -0600
          Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:54 +0000
            Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 09:20 -0600
              Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 15:27 +0000
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 09:30 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 08:37 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 08:51 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:03 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:18 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 09:32 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-05-04 16:40 +0000
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:41 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:01 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:05 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 12:36 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 13:08 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 14:13 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 14:40 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 16:50 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 18:53 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 10:21 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 10:37 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 11:19 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 11:31 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 12:03 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 12:58 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:15 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:19 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 13:25 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:42 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 13:56 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-05 15:40 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-05 17:27 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:22 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:29 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:38 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:42 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 14:54 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 04:33 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-08 02:46 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-07 15:20 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 16:31 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 10:06 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 11:16 -0600
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-05-04 12:34 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-05-04 10:48 -0700
                Re: Who wants to control people more: American Christians or Muslims? Doomsdrzej <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-05-04 17:41 -0400

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