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Re: Where's The Advocacy?

From Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com>
Newsgroups comp.os.linux.advocacy
Subject Re: Where's The Advocacy?
Date 2018-04-22 11:24 -0700
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On 4/22/18, 10:31 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
> On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 4:41:33 PM UTC-6, Snit wrote:
>> On 4/21/18, 8:57 AM, Steve Carroll wrote:
>>> On Saturday, April 21, 2018 at 9:15:13 AM UTC-6, F. Russell wrote:
>>>>>   On Sat, 21 Apr 2018 07:38:24 -0400, Chris Ahlstrom wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   >   it is [snip faulty term] due to rushed programming, insane deadlines.
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>
>>>>>   That describes commercialism in general.  It's all a mad race to the
>>>>>   bottom kept alive by the slim profit exuding therefrom.
>>>>>
>>>>>   Yet certain parties on this NG will continue to extol the virtues
>>>>>   of capitalism.
>>>>>
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>>   >     No
>>>>>>   >   one cares about bugs in Web software.  In fact, we've all come to expect it.
>>>>>>   >
>>>>>
>>>>>   It is expected by the producers that the speed and capacity of modern
>>>>>   hardware will make up for all the design deficiencies.
>>> He's talking about "bugs", fool. Why can't you read? A poster talks about
>>> "quality", you reply with 'availability'... a poster talks about "bugs" and you
>>> reply with 'expectations that speed will overcome design deficiencies'.
>>>
>> What is deemed a bug and what is not means a lot less to the end user
>> than what a package will do for them. If a feature is by-design poorly
>> done that is still a problem (and in general language a bug).
>
>
> No one said anything about a feature being poorly done "by-design",

I did... and noted that to the end user it does not generally matter if 
a feature is not working by design or by error, the fact it does not 
work well is what matters.

Below you note that different people will see what works well in 
different ways. Sure, there is room for opinion here and it will be 
based on needs, user experience, etc., but there are also common sense 
and research which can often be used to know if something is working poorly.

> they said "bugs" and "design deficiencies", the latter of which, on a
> website, can be damn near anything depending upon who's doing the
> looking. If *all* "design deficiencies" were "bugs" you'd have a point,
> but they aren't, so you don't. That something is lacking from the
> design of a website, even if it's something the user might reasonably
> expect to be there because it usually is on other sites, does not
> necessarily equate that deficiency with being a bug. There are even
> instances where it can be seen as preferable depending upon who's
> doing the looking.


-- 
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They 
cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel 
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

<https://youtu.be/H4NW-Cqh308>

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Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-17 00:32 +0000
  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 08:18 -0700
    Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-17 13:12 -0700
      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 13:46 -0700
      Amazon, Google, Apple, MicroSoft, China, and Russia. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-17 15:04 -0700
      Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 07:00 -0500
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 05:01 -0700
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 06:40 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 08:53 -0500
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:12 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 13:29 -0500
          At Amazon, Profit == Waste. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-18 07:18 -0700
            Re: At Amazon, Profit == Waste. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:32 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 10:59 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 13:18 -0500
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:25 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 13:34 -0500
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:35 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 23:07 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:19 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-18 14:33 -0400
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 13:23 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-19 03:59 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-19 06:58 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-19 11:27 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-19 11:52 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 03:52 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 04:16 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 06:58 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:20 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 06:09 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 06:22 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 08:31 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 06:56 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 09:23 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-20 11:06 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 16:19 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 09:33 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 09:49 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 10:25 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:31 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 11:03 -0700
                Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-20 12:57 -0700
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Sergio <invalid@invalid.com> - 2018-04-20 15:30 -0500
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 13:40 -0700
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:47 +0000
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:32 -0700
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 16:45 -0500
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-20 18:33 -0400
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 19:59 -0500
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:33 -0400
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-21 18:17 +0000
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 19:38 -0500
                Re: Some "girly boys" who couldn't handle PDP-11 assembly. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 17:48 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:38 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 15:14 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 08:28 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 08:57 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 17:10 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 17:14 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:23 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:41 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:31 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 11:24 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:20 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 12:30 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:33 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 14:00 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 15:21 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:36 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 08:43 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 09:03 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 09:37 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 09:45 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 10:30 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 11:46 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 11:51 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-24 07:09 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 05:17 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-24 18:00 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-24 15:14 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 15:50 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-24 16:02 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 00:02 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 17:15 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-25 02:38 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-25 10:55 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-25 11:39 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 12:43 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 11:49 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 10:24 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 12:48 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:18 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 10:13 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:34 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:39 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 08:48 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 10:11 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:27 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 16:19 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 09:20 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 11:44 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 10:16 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 13:07 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 11:50 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:42 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 22:48 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 03:55 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 04:33 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 15:23 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 12:05 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 12:49 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 22:45 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 19:12 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? William Poaster <wp@dev.null> - 2018-04-20 22:54 +0100
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 09:46 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 11:13 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-20 11:37 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:37 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:00 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 04:19 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 14:53 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 12:04 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 15:49 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-21 15:57 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 12:38 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 19:56 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-21 14:01 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 23:15 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:06 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 15:18 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 11:25 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:01 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:18 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 09:32 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:44 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 16:45 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 15:38 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 18:04 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:33 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-24 07:12 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-24 12:44 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-24 14:36 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-24 08:41 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:58 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 11:20 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:27 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 12:23 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:30 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 14:00 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 15:22 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:36 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 08:43 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:42 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-22 11:58 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:14 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 12:29 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 12:41 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:38 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 23:17 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 09:50 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:19 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:08 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 00:07 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 09:59 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 14:06 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 10:09 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-22 15:13 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 11:24 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:29 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 18:02 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 15:33 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:26 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 15:30 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:34 -0700
                What Apple gave us. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-23 10:03 -0700
                Re: What Apple gave us. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 10:33 -0700
                Re: What Apple gave us. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 11:47 -0700
                Re: What Apple gave us. Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 11:21 -0700
                Re: What Apple gave us. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-23 15:35 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:25 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:21 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:10 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 13:25 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:42 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 23:19 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:08 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 00:06 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 00:53 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 18:20 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:09 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:11 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 13:41 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:39 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 14:57 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 13:22 -0700
                Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-20 13:59 -0700
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 14:47 -0700
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-20 22:34 +0000
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:40 -0400
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 05:50 -0700
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 07:41 -0700
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:40 -0700
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:39 +0000
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 10:30 -0700
                Re: Google poured billions of dollars into FireFox. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 12:22 -0700
                60 search providers pre-installed across more than 90 languages. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-21 01:24 -0700
                Re: 60 search providers pre-installed across more than 90 languages. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 02:12 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 18:03 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-21 15:39 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Melzzzzz <Melzzzzz@zzzzz.com> - 2018-04-22 00:07 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 08:11 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:15 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 09:31 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-22 16:47 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 10:00 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 10:44 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-22 11:21 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-22 11:37 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 17:17 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-30 11:03 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 12:41 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 12:52 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 13:24 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-20 23:28 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 12:38 -0400
                Apple can't invest, not like Samsung or Amazon; it's profit sans reason. Jeff-Relf.Me  @. - 2018-04-20 07:51 -0700
                Re: Apple can't invest, not like Samsung or Amazon; it's profit sans reason. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 08:28 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 06:31 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-20 08:41 -0500
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-20 10:17 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 21:08 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-20 14:20 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-21 07:43 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:40 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 08:50 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-22 10:10 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Chris Ahlstrom <OFeem1987@teleworm.us> - 2018-04-22 16:51 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-23 03:01 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 03:12 -0700
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-21 17:53 +0000
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-21 13:28 -0400
                Re: Where's The Advocacy? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-04-23 00:20 +0000
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-18 10:38 -0400
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? owl <owl@rooftop.invalid> - 2018-04-18 16:03 +0000
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? "F. Russell" <fr@random.info> - 2018-04-18 22:19 +0000
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 21:48 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-19 07:33 -0500
            Hey COLA Tard,  ...  it is the Linux DE.  Or should it be:  UBUNTU/Linux DE? Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 05:42 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 05:54 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? a.m <.m@nsn.s> - 2018-04-19 11:43 -0400
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? RonB <ronb02NOSPAM@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 20:34 +0000
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-20 19:13 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-21 02:59 -0700
      Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 10:35 -0700
        Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 11:17 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? fr314159@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:07 -0700
            Re: Where's The Advocacy? -hh <recscuba_google@huntzinger.com> - 2018-04-18 13:34 -0700
              Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 18:59 -0700
          Re: Where's The Advocacy? chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2018-04-18 14:17 -0500
      Re: Where's The Advocacy? Steve Carroll <fretwizzer@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 12:16 -0700
    Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 13:28 -0700
  Russell is the freak! Please die and get it over with, Poco. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 02:27 -0700
    Re: Russell is the freak! Please die and get it over with, Poco. Steven Petruzzellis <frelwizzen@gmail.com> - 2018-04-19 02:30 -0700
  Use Linux anyway you want to, Poco!  Moi certainly does. Simon bar Sinister <john.h.gohde@gmail.com> - 2018-04-20 05:24 -0700
  Re: Where's The Advocacy? Snit <usenet@gallopinginsanity.com> - 2018-04-23 13:27 -0700

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