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Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory
Date	2018-03-28 11:14 +1100
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On 27/03/2018 7:50 PM, jgreenfield97@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 7:01:02 PM UTC+10:30, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 27/03/2018 7:10 PM, jgreenfield97@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10:30, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 24/03/2018 2:21 PM, jgreenfield97@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> Gravitational lensing is often given as 'proving' SR
>>>>>
>>>>> Any highschool student knows that a lens works because light has had its'
>>>>> trajectory from source to observer PERMANENTLY altered.
>>>>>
>>>>> AE says that light follows gravitational potential (space time).
>>>>> If that is so, light passing a large mass would return to its' ORIGINAL path afterwards, and NO lensing would ever be apparent.
>>>>
>>>> Why would you think that light would return to its original path?
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> I was once one of the great brainwashed, who took for granted that AE was a genius, responsible for the bomb etc
>>> An article in Time Magazine, March 29 1999 by James Gleick , presumably an authority on AE theory, on closer examination did not pass the 'pub test'!
>>> His diagrams clearly show that light passing a mass would return to its' original path under AE, and it follows that lensing could not occur.(but we know that it does)
>>>
>>> Also when considering relativity and length contraction, his 'outside' observer has  ignored the fact that the front of a moving object does not stop while an internal flash goes front to back. An outside observer therefore would NOT see 'shortening.
>>>
>>
>> Gleick is a science historian, and there's no reason to presume him to
>> be an authority on general relativity. There doesn't appear to be an
>> article by him in the issue you cited.
>>
>> As for you your second comment, the observer has not ignored anything.
>> The math is quite straight forward, but you need to look at it if you
>> expect to be able to comment on it.
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> Look again! I have the article in my hand (magazine) Begins p54
> 
> Math is a great blinder; it makes people ignore reality.
> Tell me how much a train "shrinks" on a dark night. (AE relies on 'observers' who are 'measuring')
> An outside observer of a travelling train is NOT related to the driver. The beam the driver sees transverse NEVER impinges on the outside observer
> 
> Jim G
> 

Physics is about measurement. The theories of relativity (both special 
and general) allow one observer with a set of measurements to determine 
what a different observer would measure. Things do not shrink, etc., and 
that is not what the theories say.

As for the magazine article, I cannot find it. I suggest you scan the 
relevant part and post it somewhere where others can see it. Since this 
will be for the purpose of criticism and review, it will not be a breach 
of copyright.

Sylvia.

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Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 20:21 -0700
  Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-23 20:36 -0700
  Re:Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 07:04 +0100
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Peter Brown <pmbphy@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 02:06 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:17 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 23:50 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 07:56 +0100
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 10:24 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 19:52 +0100
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 12:28 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 23:25 +0100
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 22:17 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:45 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-03-25 13:13 +0200
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:31 +0000
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:40 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 10:31 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-03-25 13:08 +0200
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 11:12 -0700
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:47 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:45 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:33 +0000
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Peter Brown <pmbphy@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 02:09 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 10:28 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-01 10:35 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:43 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 19:01 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 22:28 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:47 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:35 +0000
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 10:19 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory alsor@interia.pl - 2018-03-24 12:37 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 23:26 +0100
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory alsor@interia.pl - 2018-03-25 12:32 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-24 19:51 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:44 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:43 +0000
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:25 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 00:44 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 15:29 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-28 00:06 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 10:15 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 10:21 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:46 +0000
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 19:21 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 21:09 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 00:40 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 05:01 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 22:11 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-03-31 13:22 +0200
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwgt.lr> - 2018-03-31 19:40 +0000
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 12:53 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 13:21 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:16 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:20 -0700
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-01 15:12 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 23:08 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:31 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-25 23:00 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-27 11:01 +1100
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 01:10 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-27 19:30 +1100
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 01:50 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-28 11:14 +1100
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-28 00:09 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 19:09 +0100
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-29 13:50 -0500
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 20:13 +0100
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 12:24 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-29 12:59 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 13:18 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 23:37 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-03 04:22 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-03 05:35 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 22:24 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-08 05:08 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-09 23:32 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-10 04:38 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-08 15:03 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-05-12 10:16 +1000
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-03 22:53 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 15:13 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-29 20:37 -0400
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-29 17:47 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-30 11:16 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 10:30 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-01 21:51 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:38 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:42 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:13 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:35 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:46 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 22:53 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-02 15:42 +0000
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 11:02 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 11:21 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 00:11 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-02 21:02 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 12:34 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-03 04:17 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 22:10 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 12:58 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-03 16:34 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 10:57 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 12:48 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-03 22:15 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 13:40 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-03 21:15 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 17:44 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-04 15:09 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-29 21:27 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-29 15:39 -0500
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 06:44 +0100
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-29 21:25 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-27 02:15 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-29 19:18 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-30 12:30 +1100
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-02 14:08 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 23:31 -0700

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