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Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory
Date	2018-03-27 19:30 +1100
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On 27/03/2018 7:10 PM, jgreenfield97@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, March 27, 2018 at 10:31:57 AM UTC+10:30, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 24/03/2018 2:21 PM, jgreenfield97@gmail.com wrote:
>>> Gravitational lensing is often given as 'proving' SR
>>>
>>> Any highschool student knows that a lens works because light has had its'
>>> trajectory from source to observer PERMANENTLY altered.
>>>
>>> AE says that light follows gravitational potential (space time).
>>> If that is so, light passing a large mass would return to its' ORIGINAL path afterwards, and NO lensing would ever be apparent.
>>
>> Why would you think that light would return to its original path?
>>
>> Sylvia.
> 
> I was once one of the great brainwashed, who took for granted that AE was a genius, responsible for the bomb etc
> An article in Time Magazine, March 29 1999 by James Gleick , presumably an authority on AE theory, on closer examination did not pass the 'pub test'!
> His diagrams clearly show that light passing a mass would return to its' original path under AE, and it follows that lensing could not occur.(but we know that it does)
> 
> Also when considering relativity and length contraction, his 'outside' observer has  ignored the fact that the front of a moving object does not stop while an internal flash goes front to back. An outside observer therefore would NOT see 'shortening.
> 

Gleick is a science historian, and there's no reason to presume him to 
be an authority on general relativity. There doesn't appear to be an 
article by him in the issue you cited.

As for you your second comment, the observer has not ignored anything. 
The math is quite straight forward, but you need to look at it if you 
expect to be able to comment on it.

Sylvia.

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Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 20:21 -0700
  Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-23 20:36 -0700
  Re:Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 07:04 +0100
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Peter Brown <pmbphy@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 02:06 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:17 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-23 23:50 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 07:56 +0100
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 10:24 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 19:52 +0100
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 12:28 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 23:25 +0100
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 22:17 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:45 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-03-25 13:13 +0200
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:31 +0000
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:40 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 10:31 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-03-25 13:08 +0200
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 11:12 -0700
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:47 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-26 16:45 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:33 +0000
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Peter Brown <pmbphy@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 02:09 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 10:28 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-01 10:35 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 14:43 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 19:01 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-24 22:28 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:47 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:35 +0000
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 10:19 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory alsor@interia.pl - 2018-03-24 12:37 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor Striz <poutnik4REMOVEnntp@CAPITALSgmail.com> - 2018-03-24 23:26 +0100
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory alsor@interia.pl - 2018-03-25 12:32 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-03-24 19:51 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 01:44 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:43 +0000
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:25 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 00:44 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 15:29 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-28 00:06 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 10:15 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-03-27 10:21 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emma Blazer <aemb@wmopswxa.as> - 2018-03-25 13:46 +0000
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 19:21 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-25 21:09 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 00:40 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-27 05:01 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-30 22:11 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Libor 'Poutnik' Stříž <poutnik@privacy.net> - 2018-03-31 13:22 +0200
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Emory Walpole <aibw@wrtwgt.lr> - 2018-03-31 19:40 +0000
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 12:53 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-31 13:21 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:16 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 11:20 -0700
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-04-01 15:12 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 23:08 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-03-25 22:31 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-25 23:00 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-27 11:01 +1100
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 01:10 -0700
      Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-27 19:30 +1100
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 01:50 -0700
          Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-28 11:14 +1100
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-28 00:09 -0700
            Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 19:09 +0100
              Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-29 13:50 -0500
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 20:13 +0100
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 12:24 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-29 12:59 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-29 13:18 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 23:37 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-03 04:22 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-05-03 05:35 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-07 22:24 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-08 05:08 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-09 23:32 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-05-10 04:38 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-08 15:03 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory HGW <HW@home.net> - 2018-05-12 10:16 +1000
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-03 22:53 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-04-29 15:13 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-29 20:37 -0400
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-29 17:47 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-30 11:16 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 10:30 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-01 21:51 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 13:38 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 15:42 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:13 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:35 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 17:46 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-01 22:53 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Otto Wahl <tlow@wtiwor.oc> - 2018-05-02 15:42 +0000
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 11:02 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 11:21 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 00:11 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-02 21:02 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 12:34 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-05-03 04:17 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-02 22:10 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-02 12:58 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-03 16:34 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 10:57 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 12:48 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-03 22:15 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 13:40 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-05-03 21:15 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-05-03 17:44 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-05-04 15:09 +0200
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-29 21:27 -0700
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-29 15:39 -0500
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-04-30 06:44 +0100
                Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-29 21:25 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-27 02:15 -0700
        Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2018-03-29 19:18 -0700
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-03-30 12:30 +1100
  Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-02 14:08 -0700
    Re: Trivial destruction of AE theory jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-05-02 23:31 -0700

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