Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?

From	ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>)
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Subject	Re: [tor dot com] Why the Hell Are These Books Out of Print?
Date	2018-03-26 04:11 +0000
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In article <p99q3e$1ec$1@gioia.aioe.org>,
David Johnston  <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On 2018-03-25 8:37 PM, J. Clarke wrote:
>> On Mon, 26 Mar 2018 04:28:50 +0300, Juho Julkunen
>> <giaotanj@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> In article <16nfbdhe5m689lbtnbe2rr59ch5kosh1s1@4ax.com>, jclarke.873638
>>> @gmail.com says...
>>>>
>>>> On Sun, 25 Mar 2018 16:49:56 GMT, djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J
>>>> Heydt) wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> (Cf. a lot of early episodes of Doctor Who, which were recorded
>>>>> over because tapes cost money.)
>>>>
>>>> The benefits of socialized television.
>>>
>>> Tapes cost money for private broadcasters, too.
>> 
>> But private broadcasters aren't subject to government austerity
>> programs.
>> 
>
>And of course being private corporations they have no interest in saving 
>money.
>
>  Almost all of NBC's The Tonight Show with Jack Paar and the first ten 
>years (1962–1972) hosted by Johnny Carson were taped over by the network 
>and no longer exist. The videotape was being used repeatedly, hence the 
>reason that Carson's Tonight Show picture looked muddy during broadcast 
>in the late 1960s. Selected sequences from the 1962–1972 era survive and 
>were often replayed by Carson himself (particularly in the months 
>preceding his retirement in 1992) and have been released to home video. 
>Some Paar episodes also survive and have also been released to home 
>video—in this case, DVD.
>
>Similarly, NBC reused the tapes of ventriloquist Shari Lewis's 1960-1963 
>Saturday morning children's program The Shari Lewis Show, to record 
>coverage of the 1964 Democratic and Republican National Conventions. 
>Lewis said in an interview decades later that to her, this was a shame, 
>since the shows were beautifully done as a showcase of NBC's early color 
>broadcast work.
>Most US daytime soap opera episodes broadcast before 1978 have been 
>lost. The status of episodes, however, varies widely from show to show:
>Soaps produced by Procter & Gamble Productions, including Search for 
>Tomorrow, Guiding Light, As the World Turns, The Edge of Night, and 
>Another World began preserving their episodes in 1978. A few scattered 
>episodes, mostly black and white kinescopes, of these series exist from 
>the 1950s, 1960s, and early to mid-1970s. The CBS soaps Love of Life and 
>The Secret Storm, as well as several short-lived shows, suffered the 
>same fate.
>ABC's One Life to Live and All My Children were originally owned by 
>their creator, Agnes Nixon, who chose to archive all episodes. However, 
>early episodes of AMC were only saved as black-and-white kinescopes 
>despite being produced and telecast in color. ABC purchased the shows in 
>late 1974; different sources report that Nixon's archive was either lost 
>in a fire or erased. A few black-and-white kinescopes of both series' 
>early years exist, as well as a few color episodes. ABC began full 
>archiving of these soaps at Nixon's insistence when they expanded from 
>30 minutes to an hour—AMC in 1977, and OLTL in 1978.
>Most 1963–1970 episodes of ABC's longest-running General Hospital 
>survive because the series was then owned by Selmur Productions. Few 
>episodes from 1970 to 1977 were saved. Ryan's Hope premiered in 1975, 
>several years before ABC began saving all of its daytime programming, 
>but exists in its entirety as it was originally owned by Labine-Mayer 
>Productions.
>Dark Shadows, created by Dan Curtis, which ran from 1966 to 1971, has 
>the distinction of being one of the few soap operas to have nearly all 
>of its original episodes preserved. As a result of kinescope, many 
>earlier episodes of which the master film was lost are still available. 
>However, episode #1219 was lost but reconstructed with an audio 
>recording for home video release.
>Two long-running soaps have full archives: Days of Our Lives, which 
>premiered in 1965, and The Young and the Restless, which premiered in 
>1973. Both series were originally distributed by Screen Gems.
>

Interesting article on how Desi Arnaz invented syndication:

	http://www.americanheritage.com/content/what-desi-wrought

	But if the basic creative decisions had been made, the
	business ones had not. CBS wanted the series done live in
	New York. The East Coast was where the audience was, and
	if the show was done in Hollywood, the East Coast would
	have to see blurry kinescopes. Lucy and Desi wanted to stay
	in Hollywood, so Desi negotiated. He suggested using their
	production company, Desilu, to film the show ahead of time.
	This solved the quality problem but would considerably
	increase the production costs, originally budgeted at what
	now seems a minuscule $19,500 an episode. Desi, picking a
	figure out of thin air, guessed that the increase would
	amount to $5,000.

	After much hemming and hawing, Philip Morris and CBS agreed
	to come up with an additional $2,000 each. But Lucy and
	Desi, who were to be paid $2,500 each and own half the show,
	would have to take a thousand-dollar salary cut between
	them on each of the first thirty-nine episodes to make up
	the difference.

	Arnaz made a counteroffer. He and Lucy would take the salary
	cut, provided CBS gave them sole ownership. Since in 1951
	most television shows were done live and preserved only on
	kinescopes, yesterdays TV shows, CBS thought, were worth
	about the same as yesterdays newspapers. So CBS readily
	agreed. The suits figured they weren't giving up much.

	But Arnaz knew that he and Lucy weren't giving up much either.
	In our income tax bracket, he explained, we might have ended
	up with about $5,000 of the $39,000 we were losing [in
	salary cuts]. So in effect, we were buying the other half
	of the series for $5,000.

	That, of course, turned out to be the bargain of the century.
	Because I Love Lucy was filmed, not performed live, for the
	first time in television, there was something worth selling
	after the original broadcast was over, and because I Love
	Lucy turned into one of the biggest hits in the history of
	show business, there was no lack of offers to buy.
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