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Re: Units in spacetime

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Units in spacetime
Date 2018-03-14 21:47 +0100
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Am 14.03.2018 um 17:02 schrieb Térov Balónky:
> Thomas Heger wrote:
>
>>>>> I use the convention, that the observer declares himself as at rest
>>>>
>>>> Impossible. The has a certain valued mechanic and electric impedance.
>>>> That impedance comes from something, thus that observer will be moving
>>>> wrt that. People are talking nonsense in relativity around here.
>>>
>>> "The empty space has".
>>
>> The assumption of an eternal empty space is one of Newtons axioms. But I
>> tried to prove, that the 4d view of Herman Minkowski is actually
>> correct.
>
> Good point. And yet another flagrant error in Relativity. You cant declare
> anything at rest in spacetime. In space yes, but not in spacetime.
> According their own theory and definitions.
>


Well, I don't say, that something is at rest.

I use the equivalence principle, which says, that you cannot decide 
between inertial motion and being at rest.

This enables me to say, that I can declare anything to be at rest.

For reasons of convenience and because of consistency to every-day 
experience I say, the observer is at rest (by definition).

This is kind of 'subjectivism', because any observer gets similar rights 
and therefor one observer is at rest in his own FoR, while in motion in 
the FoRs of other observers.

This is not really satisfying. But to be happy is not a scientific 
requirement. It is only a useful convention.

And it is also the same way as we actually see the world: from our own 
point of view.

But humans on planet Earth share a certain view: vertically up.

The common denominator of human observations is our collective view into 
the sky.

What we see there we call 'universe'.

But we do not realize, that this 'universe' is not really universal.


TH

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Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-13 10:06 +0100
  Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:15 -0700
    Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 14:36 +0000
      Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 07:51 -0700
        Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-13 08:34 -0700
      Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 09:20 -0700
        Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 16:27 +0000
          Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 16:28 +0000
          Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 09:45 -0700
            Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-13 18:39 +0100
              Re: Units in spacetime Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-13 17:49 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-13 17:49 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-14 13:54 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-14 16:02 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-14 21:47 +0100
            Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 18:02 +0000
              Re: Units in spacetime Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-13 18:12 +0000
      Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-13 22:00 +0100
        Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-13 22:55 +0000
          Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:19 -0700
            Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:32 -0700
              Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 09:52 -0700
            Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 18:07 +0000
              Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-14 12:03 -0700
              Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 13:18 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-14 21:38 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 16:27 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-15 01:05 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 03:52 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 23:10 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-15 00:16 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 11:55 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-15 14:40 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-15 16:02 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 15:20 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 09:49 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 19:49 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-15 11:26 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-03-15 04:03 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 15:50 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-15 21:15 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 10:30 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-15 18:32 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 19:51 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-15 20:56 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-15 23:20 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-16 10:11 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 22:25 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-19 09:17 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 10:36 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 17:57 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 11:16 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 18:43 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 13:02 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-19 21:24 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 09:32 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-20 17:40 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 09:55 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-20 18:25 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 14:21 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Dirk Van de moortel <dirkvandemoortel@notmail.com> - 2018-03-20 22:57 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-20 16:00 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Darryl Fletcher <lu@ewiwwe.tt> - 2018-03-20 23:38 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-22 14:01 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2018-03-22 13:45 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-27 20:18 +0200
                Re: Units in spacetime xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 14:40 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-03-26 07:38 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-27 19:53 +0200
                Re: Units in spacetime xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-03-27 12:21 -0700
                Re: Units in spacetime Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-27 16:47 -0400
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-28 09:34 +0200
                Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-20 21:12 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-16 10:32 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-16 12:33 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-17 21:29 +0100
                Re: Units in spacetime Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 20:51 +0000
                Re: Units in spacetime "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-03-20 15:41 -0700
            Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-15 14:04 +0100
              Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-15 20:10 +0100
      Re: Units in spacetime Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-22 05:57 +0100
        Re: Units in spacetime Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-03-27 19:57 +0200
  Re: Units in spacetime numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-20 13:49 -0700
    Re: Units in spacetime Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-21 07:26 +0000
  Re: Units in spacetime numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-22 15:28 -0700
    Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-23 09:57 +0100
      Re: Units in spacetime xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-03-25 18:54 -0700
  Re: Units in spacetime numbernumber1964@gmail.com - 2018-03-23 10:48 -0700
    Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-25 19:03 +0200
      Re: Units in spacetime xip1415926@gmail.com - 2018-03-26 06:39 -0700
        Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-03-26 21:43 +0200
  Re: Units in spacetime Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-30 11:00 +0100
    Re: Units in spacetime Will Bos <sllu@wsws.sb> - 2018-03-30 10:52 +0000
      Re: Units in spacetime Will Bos <sllu@wsws.sb> - 2018-03-30 11:02 +0000
    Re: Units in spacetime Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2018-04-03 06:45 +0200

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