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Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy

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On 28/02/2018 11:28 AM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 2:01:32 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 28/02/2018 5:20 AM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, February 27, 2018 at 12:11:51 AM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 27/02/2018 2:02 PM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>> On Monday, February 26, 2018 at 6:51:45 PM UTC-8, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 27/02/2018 10:22 AM, mitchrae3323@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>>> Blue shifts and red shifts that can change energy differently
>>>>>>> together leave energy not conserved.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Show a scenario where you think that's true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> You are a Silly girl Sylvia. Show how it isn't...
>>>>> Move toward or away and energy quantity is no longer the same.
>>>>> Don't cause more trouble for yourself Sylvia...
>>>>>
>>>>> Mitchell Raemsch
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You're the one saying that the law of conservation of energy is
>>>> violated, so you get to show that your claim is correct.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> If energy changes it is not conserved...
>>>
>>
>> When I get into my car and press the accelerator, the vehicle's kinetic
>> energy changes. Yet that is not a proof that energy is not conserved.
> 
> Demonstrate how its conserved. Put your money where you mouth is Sylvia.
> Oh and yeah. Do it of yourself...
> 
>> Your argument is flawed.
> 
> If energy can change and isn't always
> equally balanced the first principle of energy
> or conservation is out. There is nothing wrong in
> accepting that energy can change
> and you can accept conservation is part of an ancient
> principle of the past... instead of conservation
> there is new quantities of energy by gravity
> and motion. Show where at least one example
> of energy conservation that doesn't give way
> to change Sylvia...
> 
>> Sylvia.
> 
> I know you are not prepared to accept
> anything else but...
> What about the gravity energy shifts?
> What about Pound Rebka?
> Energy changes by gravity.
> No conservation there.
> And at a black hole new light energy quantities
> are at their most extreme differences...
> If you believe they are always balanced
> then you are incorrect.
> 
> Mitchell Raemsch
> 


The point is that you have to consider the entire system, not just parts 
of it. In the case of the car you have look at the kinetic energy of the 
car, the slight change in the energy of the Earth (the car is pushing 
against it), the change of the energy in the fuel, the energy dissipated 
as heat, the energy in the exhaust, the work done against the air, and 
so on. When all are taken into account, the change is zero.

No counter-example has ever been discovered.

Sylvia.

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Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-26 15:22 -0800
  Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-26 16:31 -0800
    Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-26 17:40 -0800
      Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2018-02-26 22:19 -0800
    Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2018-03-08 02:06 -0800
      Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-03-08 10:00 -0800
  Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-02-27 13:51 +1100
    Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-26 19:02 -0800
      Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-02-27 19:11 +1100
        Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-27 10:20 -0800
          Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-02-28 09:01 +1100
            Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-27 16:28 -0800
              Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-02-28 11:35 +1100
                Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-27 16:51 -0800
                Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-02-28 12:04 +1100
                Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-27 18:07 -0800
              Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2018-02-27 17:31 -0800
                Re: Blue shift and red shift changing means no conservation of energy mitchrae3323@gmail.com - 2018-02-27 17:46 -0800

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