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| Date | 2016-02-01 16:38 -0800 |
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| Subject | Re: inertial frames of reference |
| From | jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> |
Odd wrote... >As a lovely example of this, take a look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPsLanVS1Q8 There are lots of camera shots taken from the perspective of a thrower or a catcher. And you'll see the ball behave AS IF there is a force pulling the ball in a curve to one side. But of course, if you were to try to FIND that force pulling it to one side, you'd be hard pressed. There is nothing you can lay your finger on that causes that curve. And there's good reason -- there is no force. But the MIND is tempted to say, "But... but... there HAS to be a force or it wouldn't curve that way." And that's just the mind's attempt to apply Newton's >second law where it doesn't apply. You would get the same effect even if the teacher threw the ball. But this doesnt answer the question of why the ball needs force to accelerate in the inertial frame? What force is pushing against the ball Just before she lets go?
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Re: inertial frames of reference "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 04:26 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 09:52 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference "kquirici@yahoo.com" <kquirici@yahoo.com> - 2016-02-01 08:34 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-01 10:40 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 12:55 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-01 13:55 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-01 16:38 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 07:19 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-02 09:53 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 12:55 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-02 14:06 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-03 02:35 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 10:23 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 01:22 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 08:44 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 09:35 -0800
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Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-03 11:34 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 13:59 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-03 12:29 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-03 15:28 -0600
Re: inertial frames of reference jay moseley <jaymoseley@hotmail.com> - 2016-02-04 00:41 -0800
Re: inertial frames of reference Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-02-04 08:14 -0600
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