Re: What is OOP?

From	wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com>
Newsgroups	comp.lang.c++
Subject	Re: What is OOP?
Date	2024-12-03 18:38 +0800
Organization	A noiseless patient Spider
Message-ID	<f4160b394cf17e59f10b2ed1c02db87045849f4a.camel@gmail.com> (permalink)
References	<d8a5a0d563f0b9b78b34711d12d4975a7941f53a.camel@gmail.com> <86frn6og85.fsf@linuxsc.com> <853d65692ada3865dafc2c6010539ed20e4e348c.camel@gmail.com> <vile40$3k3j8$1@dont-email.me>

Show all headers | View raw

On Mon, 2024-12-02 at 14:59 -0800, Chris M. Thomasson wrote:
> On 12/2/2024 12:49 AM, wij wrote:
> > On Sun, 2024-12-01 at 20:34 -0800, Tim Rentsch wrote:
> > > wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> writes:
> > > 
> > > In response to the question of the subject line...
> > > 
> > > Just because a program is being written in a language that has
> > > functions doesn't mean that what is being done is functional
> > > programming.
> > > 
> > > Just because a program is being written in a language that has
> > > classes and objects doesn't mean that what is being done is
> > > object-oriented programming.
> > > 
> > > More than anything else object-oriented programming is a mindset
> > > or a programming methodology.  It helps if the language being
> > > used supports classes, etc, but the methodology can be used even
> > > in languages that don't have them.
> > > 
> > > A quote:
> > > 
> > >      My guess is that object-oriented programming will be in the
> > >      1980s what structured programming was in the 1970s.
> > >      Everyone will be in favor of it.  Every manufacturer will
> > >      promote his products as supporting it.  Every manager will
> > >      pay lip service to it.  Every programmer will practice it
> > >      (differently).  And no one will know just what it is.
> > > 
> > > That paragraph is taken from a paper written more than 40 years
> > > ago.  The prediction came true with a vengeance, even more than
> > > the author expected.  Most of what has been written about object
> > > oriented programming was done by people who didn't understand it.
> > > 
> > > Two more quotes, these from Alan Kay:
> > > 
> > >      I invented the term "Object Oriented Programming," and C++
> > >      is not what I had in mind.
> > > 
> > >      Though Smalltalk's structure allows the technique now known
> > >      as data abstraction to be easily (and more generally)
> > >      employed, the entire thrust of its design has been to
> > >      supersede the concept of data and procedures entirely;  to
> > >      replace these with the more generally useful notions of
> > >      activity, communication, and inheritance.
> > 
> > Thanks for those information (I did not particularly study 'OOP').
> >  From my >20 years of practice, I would say the object+action model
> > works nearly perfectly. Particularly it is the same idea with
> > abstract algebra. IOW, OOP is programming abstract algebra for
> > general problems.
> > I recently read a book (translation version)
> > https://www.amazon.com/Mind-Motion-Action-Shapes-Thought/dp/046509306X
> > OO is probably also how our brain works. So, yes, we don't absolutely need OO
> > language to program in OO, OO is natural (thou C++ is very suitable. And, there
> > may be other kind of good programming model).
> > 
> > Note: A point in 'the' inheritance theory of OO is seriously false.
> >        I can't say it right now, it is about inherited class has to delete
> >        inherited member.
> > 
> 
> Have you ever messed around with cohort scheduling? Not sure why I am 
> thinking of that now after reading your response. Humm...
> 
> https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/research/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/tr-2001-39.pdf

Just like the reason libwy uses POSIX API, mostly, and does pretend it is not.
If you want to understand the basic programming objects, try POSIX thread first
(even just by reading the manual is helpful enough) not that from C++std library. 

There are many books talk about POSIX threads in C. mess around those C codes, then
you get the real thing.

Thread

What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 01:17 +0800
  Re: What is OOP? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-01 10:43 -0800
    Re: What is OOP? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-01 10:49 -0800
  Re: What is OOP? Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-01 15:07 -0600
    Re: What is OOP? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-01 13:36 -0800
    Re: What is OOP? Bonita Montero <Bonita.Montero@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 08:45 +0100
  Re: What is OOP? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-01 23:43 +0200
    Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 09:02 +0800
  Re: What is OOP? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-12-01 17:02 -0500
    Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 08:57 +0800
      Re: What is OOP? Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-12-02 08:42 -0500
      Re: What is OOP? Isaac Ganoung <inventor500@vivaldi.net> - 2024-12-08 17:56 +0000
        Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 08:28 +0800
          Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 09:27 +0800
  Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-01 20:11 -0800
    Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 16:27 +0800
      Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 20:43 +0800
  Re: What is OOP? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-01 20:34 -0800
    Re: What is OOP? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-02 10:47 +0200
      Re: What is OOP? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-15 04:24 -0800
        Re: What is OOP? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2024-12-15 16:33 +0200
          Re: What is OOP? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-16 23:59 -0800
    Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 16:49 +0800
      Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-02 14:59 -0800
        Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 18:10 +0800
        Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 18:38 +0800
          Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-03 12:16 -0800
            Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 08:44 +0800
              Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 18:16 -0800
                Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 01:01 +0800
                Re: What is OOP? Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 10:46 -0800
              Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 21:15 -0800
                Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 21:16 -0800
                Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 21:17 -0800
                Re: What is OOP? "Chris M. Thomasson" <chris.m.thomasson.1@gmail.com> - 2024-12-23 15:59 -0800
    Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-12-06 20:40 -0600
      Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP Richard Damon <richard@damon-family.org> - 2024-12-06 21:45 -0500
        Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP olcott <polcott333@gmail.com> - 2024-12-07 14:07 -0600
        Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2024-12-09 09:51 -0800
          Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2024-12-09 17:43 -0800
        Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP Mr Flibble <leigh@i42.co.uk> - 2025-03-01 21:10 +0000
      Re: What is OOP? --- The most important aspect of OOP wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-08 00:32 +0800
  Re: What is OOP? Rosario19 <Ros@invalid.invalid> - 2024-12-04 13:14 +0100
    Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-04 22:31 +0800
    Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2024-12-19 10:32 +0800
    Re: What is OOP? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-17 10:17 -0700
      Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-19 04:58 +0800
        Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-20 23:04 +0800
      Re: What is OOP? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-20 17:37 +0200
        Re: What is OOP? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-29 13:33 -0700
      Re: What is OOP? Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-03-27 18:23 +0000
        Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-03-29 11:12 +0800
          Re: What is OOP? Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-03-29 05:07 +0000
          Re: What is OOP? Michael S <already5chosen@yahoo.com> - 2025-03-29 20:39 +0300
            Re: What is OOP? Mr Flibble <flibble@reddwarf.jmc.corp> - 2025-03-29 19:03 +0000
        Re: What is OOP? Tim Rentsch <tr.17687@z991.linuxsc.com> - 2025-03-29 13:36 -0700
  Re: What is OOP? wij <wyniijj5@gmail.com> - 2025-09-28 16:02 +0800

csiph-web