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Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition?

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Date 2017-01-04 14:34 -0800
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Subject Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition?
From Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com>

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El miércoles, 4 de enero de 2017, 11:54:05 (UTC-5), al...@interia.pl  escribió:
> W dniu środa, 4 stycznia 2017 13:46:35 UTC+1 użytkownik Rafael Valls
> > 1905 Einstein defines time ONLY relative to stationary systems of coordinates
> > in which the equations of Newtonian mechanics hold good.
> >  
> > > the clock slow-down effect compensates the c-v in any stationary sys.
> > >
> > By the contrary, the clock slow-down effect and the gravitational one (not
> > known yet in 1905), are both compensated on the GPS in order to synchronize all operative clocks with the corresponding unique time relative to the ECI 
> > stationary system.
> 
> Wrong!
> The clock slow-down effect don't compensate at all!
> Therefor the corrections.
>
Then YOU are the one being wrong when saying that "the clock slow-down effect
compensates the c-v in any stationary sys.".
 
> I told about quite other compensation:
> the speed of a satelite is variable,
> therefore the slow-down effect is variable too!
>
You seem having little knowledge about GPS. The satellite speed is constant on
the designed circular orbit, according to the holding good of the corresponding 
Newtonian equation.

The speed of a satellite is constant, therefore the slow-down effect is
constant too.
 
> And just that variability is not compensated at all!

And just that constancy permits to be compensated by a fixed relativistic
correction applied just at ground before the launching, jointly with the also 
constant gravitational effect depending on the constant designed orbit height.

> Why?
> Because of the fact: c - v does this automaticaly - in the fly!
> 
> dt = the clock-bias (due to the speed variability) + r/c' = const 
> c' = c-vcosf...
>
What is in total contradiction with the experimental fact; not supporting any
variation on the always isotropic signal speed c (not depending on source 
velocity v), or on the clock synchronization 10.23 MHz designed GPS ECI 
standard frequency. 

> > The signals transmitted by the orbiting satellites remain at isotropic speed c,
> > independent on satellites (and receptors) velocities, confirming ALWAYS 1905R 
> > original postulates 1 and 2 since July 1977 (already almost four decades ago).
> 
> No. The self-compensation doesn't exists at all
> in the Einsteinian relativity mode,
> because it's fully transparent..
>
Yes, the self-compensation doesn't exist at all in the 1905R Einstenian
relativity mode. All clocks need to be synchronized according to the 1905 
Einstein relative time definition to any stationary system (as the GPS ECI 
Newtonian center of mass one). The synchronization is obtained only with the 
application of the corresponding 1905R relativistic correction.
 
> on the same logics the Earth's rotation doesn't exists in the geocentric ideas! :)

Yes, the Earth's rotation doesn't exist in the Ptolemy geocentric ideas, but
exists in the 1905R ones as confirmed experimentally.
  
RVHG (Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato)

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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 12:40 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-01-09 20:13 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-09 20:29 -0800
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 08:34 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-01-10 08:49 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Sharilyn Vore <inolr@nryowno.an> - 2017-01-09 21:02 +0000
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-01-11 10:29 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 09:44 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? alsor@interia.pl - 2017-01-10 09:49 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 09:58 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? alsor@interia.pl - 2017-01-10 10:12 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-10 10:20 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-01-10 10:57 -0800
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            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 16:30 -0800
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        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-01 01:45 -0800
          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Alan Folmsbee <omnilobe@gmail.com> - 2017-01-01 02:21 -0800
            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 06:03 -0800
        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? alsor@interia.pl - 2017-01-01 09:42 -0800
          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 10:12 -0800
            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-01 12:50 -0800
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 13:23 -0800
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? alsor@interia.pl - 2017-01-01 13:44 -0800
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 14:11 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-01 14:35 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-02 04:18 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-02 04:26 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 06:47 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-02 11:58 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 12:17 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-02 20:54 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-02 21:04 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-01-03 00:31 -0600
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-03 10:51 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ermelinda Haymond <nmam@idandly.id> - 2017-01-03 19:04 +0000
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-03 14:26 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 14:33 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-04 00:26 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ermelinda Haymond <nmam@idandly.id> - 2017-01-04 00:55 +0000
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-04 01:01 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ermelinda Haymond <nmam@idandly.id> - 2017-01-04 09:41 +0000
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-04 03:26 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-01-03 15:47 -0600
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 14:03 -0800
                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-03 14:35 -0800
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    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 08:22 -0800
    Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-31 08:28 -0800
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        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-01-03 09:13 -0800
        Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-01-03 09:57 -0800
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          Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ermelinda Haymond <nmam@idandly.id> - 2017-01-03 19:00 +0000
            Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? eckard.blumschein@arcor.de - 2017-01-03 14:31 -0800
              Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? Ermelinda Haymond <nmam@idandly.id> - 2017-01-04 00:49 +0000
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                Re: Speed of light in vacuum, what definition? "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2017-01-04 06:33 -0800
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