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Re: GPS Again.

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity, sci.physics
Subject Re: GPS Again.
Date 2017-06-09 11:37 +1000
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On 31/05/2017 5:15 AM, Ernest Rivers wrote:
> Tom Roberts wrote:
>
>>> The receivers are working only,
>>> and only, on the DATA received from the satellites. NOT on the speeds
>>> of the signals carrying IT.
>>
>> The algorithm does depend on the speed of the signals relative to the
>> ECI.
>
> No, it doesn't. Lol, the algorithm is burned into the chip, SoC (system on
> chip, a MCU). It reveals you lack Embedded Systems, and never programmed
> such one for real in the field, with maps and so on.

The GPS time in the transmitted data from a GPS satellite allows the 
construction of an equation that essentially asserts that the distance 
between the receiver (at the time of reception) and the satellite (at 
the time of transmission) equals the time taken for the data to arrive 
multiplied by the speed of light.

Since space is three dimensional, the equation contains four unknowns - 
the three spacial coordinates of the receiver, and the (unknown) GPS 
time at the receiver.

The receiver solves four such equations simultaneously to determine the 
values of the four unknowns[*].

But, significantly, since the equations contain the speed of light, the 
algorithm is certainly dependent on it.

The fact that the algorithm is burned into a chip (in those cases where 
it is), has no bearing on whether it is dependent on the speed of light.

Sylvia.

[*] With suitable allowance for the fact that the transmissions were not 
received simultaneously, and using data from more than four satellites 
where they are available.

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GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-05-27 06:49 +1000
  Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-26 21:01 +0000
    Re: GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 15:49 -0700
      Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 09:20 +0000
  Re: GPS Again. dancouriann@gmail.com - 2017-05-26 15:50 -0700
  Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-26 17:58 -0500
  GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 16:14 -0700
    GPS Again. "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-05-26 16:38 -0700
  Re: GPS Again. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-05-26 16:25 -0700
  Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-05-27 00:18 +0000
  Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-26 19:51 -0500
    Re: GPS Again. Ckeho Baùkora <unukn@owyqar.og> - 2017-05-27 10:37 +0000
      Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 09:57 -0500
        Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 20:52 +0200
          Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:17 +0000
          Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 15:23 -0500
            Re: GPS Again. Helmut Wabnig <hwabnig@.- --- -.dotat> - 2017-05-30 22:53 +0200
              Re: GPS Again. Ernest Schwanenflügel <erwm@wanenf.oa> - 2017-05-30 20:59 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2017-05-31 00:42 +0200
              Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-05-30 19:03 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 21:30 -0500
          Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-05-30 19:01 -0500
        Re: GPS Again. Ernest Rivers <erwm@weicnne.ac> - 2017-05-30 19:15 +0000
          Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-09 11:37 +1000
            Re: GPS Again. Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:32 +0000
              Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 18:52 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-10 09:23 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:23 +1000
              Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-10 11:21 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-10 10:42 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 19:38 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Nými Icelulózy <ejienm@wzsfwe.ul> - 2017-06-16 11:30 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-16 10:40 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 11:11 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 21:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-11 12:31 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-10 22:40 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-10 23:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 05:14 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-10 22:16 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-11 07:19 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. xxein1x1@gmail.com - 2017-06-10 16:11 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-10 18:32 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-11 14:43 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 07:50 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Lolek Atoru <oitiruc@rwuca.oa> - 2017-06-13 20:56 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:25 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 17:02 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:36 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-13 20:04 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:43 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 20:11 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 14:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-06-11 22:35 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 15:44 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 18:03 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 19:00 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 11:39 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 02:33 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-11 22:42 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:27 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 04:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 08:20 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:18 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2017-06-15 10:06 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Kotovanich Nzerovu <ivhvruo@wovewvw.ev> - 2017-06-15 17:30 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:15 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 22:32 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 20:48 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-13 01:52 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-13 19:57 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-14 00:46 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-12 09:58 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 15:08 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 10:37 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 17:21 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 17:40 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 18:05 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 18:19 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. jimp@specsol.spam.sux.com - 2017-06-12 19:16 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-12 19:43 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-12 18:25 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-12 18:45 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 10:35 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-12 11:05 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Serg io <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-11 23:29 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-12 20:12 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-12 13:54 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Selina Dieter <uiueeits@wlwtwstd.ci> - 2017-06-12 12:47 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:13 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 12:59 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-12 23:03 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-13 04:22 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-06-13 13:00 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2017-06-13 13:32 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 10:09 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 09:34 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Серг ио <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 18:42 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-14 12:40 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-14 04:06 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-14 01:20 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 23:19 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-13 23:46 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-14 20:07 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегg iо <invalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-14 09:17 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-17 08:26 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-16 20:40 -0400
                Re: GPS Again. Ecembre Abin <umueuu@eibbwaw.ee> - 2017-06-17 08:05 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-17 22:20 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Sегgi о <iinvalid@invalid.com> - 2017-06-17 07:58 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-14 17:06 -0400
        Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-31 09:58 +1000
  Re: GPS Again. "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2017-05-27 07:36 +0200
    Re: GPS Again. "HGW... DSc." <hgw@....> - 2017-05-28 10:57 +1000
  Re: GPS Again. Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 07:02 -0700
    Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-01 09:00 +1000
      Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-05-31 23:42 +0000
        Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-01 19:36 +1000
          Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-01 05:33 -0700
            Re: GPS Again. "HGW, DSc." <HG@....> - 2017-06-02 19:51 +1000
              Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-03 05:10 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 08:08 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-03 15:27 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 08:50 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. pnalsing@gmail.com - 2017-06-03 19:37 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 07:09 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-04 16:06 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 11:11 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 14:23 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 12:33 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-04 18:17 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 05:06 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 12:12 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. anne <0140519@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 05:32 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 08:48 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 16:09 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 11:12 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-04 19:24 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 16:38 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-05 04:49 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 05:53 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-06 08:38 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-05 20:30 -0700
                Re: GPS Again. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 15:00 +0200
                Re: GPS Again. Prudence Youngs <usue@weuem.ge> - 2017-06-04 11:10 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 13:25 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 08:46 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-04 23:13 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-05 11:16 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 09:26 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-06 08:46 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-05 23:17 +0000
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                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 03:04 +0000
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-07 14:58 +1000
                Re: GPS Again. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:17 -0500
                Re: GPS Again. "HGW..." <hgw@....> - 2017-06-08 09:06 +1000
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