Groups > alt.comp.software.firefox > #502

Re: Keywords header

From	Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com>
Newsgroups	alt.comp.software.firefox, news.software.readers
Subject	Re: Keywords header
Date	2021-05-06 18:11 +0000
Organization	Some absurd concept
Message-ID	<eli$2105061323@qaz.wtf> (permalink)
References	<s6akrj$di4$8@dont-email.me> <1k7vwsvkotabm$.dlg@v.nguard.lh> <eli$2104291337@qaz.wtf> <5xpuhyxthcy3.dlg@v.nguard.lh>

Cross-posted to 2 groups.

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In news.software.readers, VanguardLH  <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> Crossposted and follow-ups set.
> FollowUp-To ignored.  It is rude to yank away a conversation from other
> readers in the original newsgroup to which you posted by redirecting
> replies to elsewhere than the original location.

It's rude to post off-topic content in a group. I knew you have posted
to news.software.readers in the past, so it seemed the politer thing to
do.

>> Can I ask why? Or what you hope to get out of those keywords?
> In addition to the From header, I use both the right token of the
> Message-ID and the Keywords headers to make sure anyone that wants to
> identify me, even to plonk me, has multiple and stable headers on which
> to filter.  If they wanted to ensure their filter only targeted me, or
> they wanted to ensure a search only showed my posts, and not
> accidentally on someone else, they can test on:

Anyone wanting to plonk people should be glad to have a stable
message-id to do so. Message-IDs are in the overview headers, so are
fast to get and filter on. Even better, filterable message IDs mean
you can filter replies easily too, via References. In my case, I
autoselect responses with my qaz.wtf host in References.

Keywords is generally not in overview, you can only use it to filter
after loading all headers or the entire article. For optimization
reasons, I only filter with overview headers.

> While I can select a view that always shows all headers, that is usually
> a bunch of noise (as is often the attribution lines where posters think
> they have to add lots of duplicated info that is already available in
> the headers).  I only occasionally look at all headers, so it is
> possible that I previously missed someone just copying my Keywords
> header into their reply.

I'm having a hard time finding rn code online now, but I'm quite sure
the trn code has done that a long time, and I'm fairly sure the original
rn did it, too. The official trn source is at Sourceforge which does
not, unlike github, allow browsing of the code commit history.

>                                        It was colorized, because it
> originated from Panix.  So, I looked at the raw source of your message
> to see your Keywords header duplicated mine instead of your client
> adding its own value.  Panix has been ignored-flagged by me ever since
> they decided to spamify all posts that originate at them by appending a
> deliberately invalid signature (so clients that hide sigs won't work).
> I wasn't interested in seeing posts by users of a spamifying Usenet
> provider.

I don't believe you. Panix has never "spamif[ied] all posts". Panix
has never forced users to post with a signature nor provided a default
one for users.

Panix is one of the soundest Usenet sites around. It's home to Seth
Breidbart of "Breidbart Index", Mike Godwin of "Godwin's Law", Jesse
Sheidlower author of dictionary _The F Word_ (relevant to your profanity
concerns). Multiple moderated groups are using Panix news servers as
origins. I know comp.risks and rec.humor.oracle, and I think
soc.singles.moderated, sci.space.* and rec.radio.amateur.moderated still
are. I'm also reasonably sure Panix still runs "News Shogun" to
proactively stop spammers, even though the Usenet II experiment it was
created for has long since died:

https://www.panix.com/shogun/

Panix is also not selling itself as a "Usenet provider". Usenet is a
feature available to customers of their shell and virtual hosting
customers. The Panix list of services offered doesn't seem to mention
"Usenet", they call it "netnews". 

Elijah
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owns the domain used in his message IDs

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                Re: Keywords header Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> - 2021-05-06 18:11 +0000
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