Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest
Date	2017-03-05 11:36 +1100
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On 5/03/2017 9:32 AM, benj wrote:
> On 3/3/2017 8:07 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 4/03/2017 11:34 AM, benj wrote:
>>> On 3/3/2017 7:06 PM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 4/03/2017 10:14 AM, benj wrote:
>>>>> On 3/2/2017 7:31 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 2/03/2017 10:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:29:59 PM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 2/03/2017 7:18 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>>>>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:50:42 AM UTC+11, edpr...@gmail.com
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:49:28 AM UTC-5, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Back in 2000, I had posted a formula showing a new mass and
>>>>>>>>>>> energy
>>>>>>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>>>>>> in this newsgroup.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Despite tremendous adversity, I have persisted with my research
>>>>>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>>>>>> following links show the results of my recent experiments, along
>>>>>>>>>>> with their
>>>>>>>>>>> analysis and theories.
>>>>>>>>>> []
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorry, but I don't usually follow links from here.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> If you want to discuss your ideas here, please post them here.
>>>>>>>>>> Otherwise your post is just spam.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>>>>>     ed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually I have been posting my ideas for the past 17 years to
>>>>>>>>> many
>>>>>>>>> newsgroups
>>>>>>>>> including this one.
>>>>>>>>> Since the interaction was not conclusive, I have spent a lot of
>>>>>>>>> time
>>>>>>>>> and effort
>>>>>>>>> to make the videos.
>>>>>>>>> The first four minutes of any video will give the information you
>>>>>>>>> require.
>>>>>>>>> They are expected to lead to more viewing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In any case, the new physics shown by my experiments and their
>>>>>>>>> analysis as
>>>>>>>>> will be found by the videos is that the Lorenz force does not
>>>>>>>>> have a
>>>>>>>>> reaction.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This means that we can make spaceships which can accelerate
>>>>>>>>> indefinitely.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Since my effort was to make myself clear what I posted was not
>>>>>>>>> spam.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It is necessary to see the videos to come to an understanding
>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>> the workings
>>>>>>>>> of electrodynamics - it is clear that the Maxwellian approach is
>>>>>>>>> validated.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This will no doubt lead to an upheaval in physics in due course,
>>>>>>>>> but
>>>>>>>>> science is
>>>>>>>>> always provisional.
>>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I can't imagine why you think that experimental protocol is
>>>>>>>> remotely
>>>>>>>> convincing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is not a matter of imagination for any scientist. He or she
>>>>>>> has to
>>>>>>> do the
>>>>>>> experiments and find out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> You clearly affect the position of the pendulum when you're
>>>>>>>> preparing to release the rod.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No. I take care that I do not. I release both my hands at once for
>>>>>>> both the
>>>>>>> current and non-current cases. There are videos showing this in
>>>>>>> IFE-3.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The videos clearly show you displacing the pendulum from its neutral
>>>>>> position. If you cannot see that, then you're deluding yourself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have
>>>>>>> done the experiment many times and always got the null result so far
>>>>>>> as reaction
>>>>>>> to the force giving the extra force to the armature is concerned. In
>>>>>>> other words
>>>>>>> the law of conservation of momentum is violated when the armature is
>>>>>>> accelerated
>>>>>>> by the current. There is no reaction to the force accelerating the
>>>>>>> armature,
>>>>>>> and this is a new and most profound discovery.  However this is
>>>>>>> predicted by
>>>>>>> the Lorenz relation, where the force depends entirely upon the
>>>>>>> induced
>>>>>>> magnetic
>>>>>>> field and the current through the conductor.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It certainly isn't predicted. The current through the rest of the
>>>>>> circuit creates a field which acts on the current through the rod.
>>>>>> But
>>>>>> the current through the rod also creates a field, and that field
>>>>>> acts on
>>>>>> the current flowing through the rest of the circuit. You can't pick
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> choose which bits of the circuit to analyse.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   The experiment can be repeated by anyone. It is a
>>>>>>> most important experiment leading to a discovery as important as
>>>>>>> fire
>>>>>>> or the
>>>>>>> wheel. When it is repeated by someone else (honestly of course) then
>>>>>>> the same
>>>>>>> effect will be found.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Why would anyone bother, when you've failed to do the experiments
>>>>>> properly? It's not as if there was ever any a-priori reason to think
>>>>>> there'd be an asymmetry between the rod and the rest of the wiring.
>>>>>> Why
>>>>>> would the universe have an interest in differentiating between them?
>>>>>> Any
>>>>>> reasonable scientist would tell you to come back when you've improved
>>>>>> your technique.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The use of a pendulum and inclined track just confuses the issue. A
>>>>>> much
>>>>>> more compelling demonstration (assuming the lack of actual fraud)
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> be one where the track was horizontal, and mounted on smooth
>>>>>> rollers on
>>>>>> top of a smooth base. Release the rod mechanically using a mechanism
>>>>>> mounted on the track to obviate any risk of inadvertent movement, and
>>>>>> watch what happens. If you're right about the lack of reaction, the
>>>>>> rod
>>>>>> should head off in one direction, but the track should stay still.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> But then, we know that's not what would happen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Are you sure? And if so why?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Because that outcome is what is predicted by every well tested
>>>> theory we
>>>> have that's relevant, and no competently performed experiment has shown
>>>> any different, especially at the level claimed for this system.
>>>>
>>>> If there really were a force on the rod without a reaction on the rest
>>>> of the circuit, then he could just fix the rod in place, and
>>>> demonstrate
>>>> a displacement of the pendulum when the current is on.
>>>>
>>>> As an aside, the "motor" would seem pretty useless, even if it worked,
>>>> since the claimed force is on the rod, not on the part of the system
>>>> containing the power supply. It would be a reaction-less way of
>>>> throwing
>>>> otherwise inert metal rods into space, which is just a waste of rods.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> You don't think that a violation of Newton's third law is an interesting
>>> effect? (Not that this occurs in this particular motor which is why I
>>> raised the point)
>>>
>>
>> It would be, if it occurred, but we have no reason to think that's the
>> case. The nearest thing we have to an actual demonstration produces
>> effects that are so small that it's difficult to exclude sources of
>> experimental error.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> You need to be better informed. Go read Jefimenko's derivation and then
> come back and discuss it.
>

Did Jefimenko derive an experiment that demonstrates significant 
effects? If not, then it's irrelevant.

Sylvia.

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Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 04:49 -0800
  Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 13:50 -0800
    Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 00:18 -0800
      Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 22:29 +1100
        Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 03:52 -0800
          Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 23:31 +1100
            Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:14 -0500
              Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-04 11:06 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 19:34 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-04 12:07 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-04 17:32 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 15:14 -0800
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-05 11:36 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-04 20:14 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-05 13:35 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 04:59 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-06 22:42 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-06 18:09 -0500
          Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-02 22:03 -0800
        Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:13 -0500
          Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 09:41 -0800
            objectum noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 16:51 -0800
  Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 19:51 +1100
    Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 02:49 -0800
      Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 18:06 -0800
        Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-03 15:10 +1100
      Re: Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-03-03 19:12 -0500
  Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest "Antonio Humidifier" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 18:35 -0800

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