Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest

From	Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups	sci.physics
Subject	Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest
Date	2017-03-04 11:06 +1100
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On 4/03/2017 10:14 AM, benj wrote:
> On 3/2/2017 7:31 AM, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 2/03/2017 10:52 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 10:29:59 PM UTC+11, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 2/03/2017 7:18 PM, Arindam Banerjee wrote:
>>>>> On Thursday, March 2, 2017 at 8:50:42 AM UTC+11, edpr...@gmail.com
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> On Wednesday, March 1, 2017 at 7:49:28 AM UTC-5, Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> Back in 2000, I had posted a formula showing a new mass and energy
>>>>>>> relationship
>>>>>>> in this newsgroup.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Despite tremendous adversity, I have persisted with my research
>>>>>>> and the
>>>>>>> following links show the results of my recent experiments, along
>>>>>>> with their
>>>>>>> analysis and theories.
>>>>>> []
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sorry, but I don't usually follow links from here.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to discuss your ideas here, please post them here.
>>>>>> Otherwise your post is just spam.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Respectfully,
>>>>>>     ed
>>>>>
>>>>> Actually I have been posting my ideas for the past 17 years to many
>>>>> newsgroups
>>>>> including this one.
>>>>> Since the interaction was not conclusive, I have spent a lot of time
>>>>> and effort
>>>>> to make the videos.
>>>>> The first four minutes of any video will give the information you
>>>>> require.
>>>>> They are expected to lead to more viewing.
>>>>>
>>>>> In any case, the new physics shown by my experiments and their
>>>>> analysis as
>>>>> will be found by the videos is that the Lorenz force does not have a
>>>>> reaction.
>>>>>
>>>>> This means that we can make spaceships which can accelerate
>>>>> indefinitely.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since my effort was to make myself clear what I posted was not spam.
>>>>>
>>>>> It is necessary to see the videos to come to an understanding about
>>>>> the workings
>>>>> of electrodynamics - it is clear that the Maxwellian approach is
>>>>> validated.
>>>>>
>>>>> This will no doubt lead to an upheaval in physics in due course, but
>>>>> science is
>>>>> always provisional.
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Arindam Banerjee
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I can't imagine why you think that experimental protocol is remotely
>>>> convincing.
>>>
>>> It is not a matter of imagination for any scientist. He or she has to
>>> do the
>>> experiments and find out.
>>>
>>>> You clearly affect the position of the pendulum when you're
>>>> preparing to release the rod.
>>>
>>> No. I take care that I do not. I release both my hands at once for
>>> both the
>>> current and non-current cases. There are videos showing this in IFE-3.
>>
>> The videos clearly show you displacing the pendulum from its neutral
>> position. If you cannot see that, then you're deluding yourself.
>>
>>>
>>> I have
>>> done the experiment many times and always got the null result so far
>>> as reaction
>>> to the force giving the extra force to the armature is concerned. In
>>> other words
>>> the law of conservation of momentum is violated when the armature is
>>> accelerated
>>> by the current. There is no reaction to the force accelerating the
>>> armature,
>>> and this is a new and most profound discovery.  However this is
>>> predicted by
>>> the Lorenz relation, where the force depends entirely upon the induced
>>> magnetic
>>> field and the current through the conductor.
>>
>> It certainly isn't predicted. The current through the rest of the
>> circuit creates a field which acts on the current through the rod. But
>> the current through the rod also creates a field, and that field acts on
>> the current flowing through the rest of the circuit. You can't pick and
>> choose which bits of the circuit to analyse.
>>
>>>
>>>   The experiment can be repeated by anyone. It is a
>>> most important experiment leading to a discovery as important as fire
>>> or the
>>> wheel. When it is repeated by someone else (honestly of course) then
>>> the same
>>> effect will be found.
>>
>> Why would anyone bother, when you've failed to do the experiments
>> properly? It's not as if there was ever any a-priori reason to think
>> there'd be an asymmetry between the rod and the rest of the wiring. Why
>> would the universe have an interest in differentiating between them? Any
>> reasonable scientist would tell you to come back when you've improved
>> your technique.
>>
>> The use of a pendulum and inclined track just confuses the issue. A much
>> more compelling demonstration (assuming the lack of actual fraud) would
>> be one where the track was horizontal, and mounted on smooth rollers on
>> top of a smooth base. Release the rod mechanically using a mechanism
>> mounted on the track to obviate any risk of inadvertent movement, and
>> watch what happens. If you're right about the lack of reaction, the rod
>> should head off in one direction, but the track should stay still.
>>
>> But then, we know that's not what would happen.
>
> Are you sure? And if so why?
>
>
Because that outcome is what is predicted by every well tested theory we 
have that's relevant, and no competently performed experiment has shown 
any different, especially at the level claimed for this system.

If there really were a force on the rod without a reaction on the rest 
of the circuit, then he could just fix the rod in place, and demonstrate 
a displacement of the pendulum when the current is on.

As an aside, the "motor" would seem pretty useless, even if it worked, 
since the claimed force is on the rod, not on the part of the system 
containing the power supply. It would be a reaction-less way of throwing 
otherwise inert metal rods into space, which is just a waste of rods.

Sylvia.

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Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-01 04:49 -0800
  Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-01 13:50 -0800
    Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 00:18 -0800
      Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 22:29 +1100
        Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 03:52 -0800
          Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 23:31 +1100
            Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:14 -0500
              Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-04 11:06 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 19:34 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-04 12:07 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-04 17:32 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 15:14 -0800
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-05 11:36 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-04 20:14 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-05 13:35 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <nobody@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 04:59 -0500
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-06 22:42 +1100
                Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-06 18:09 -0500
          Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest edprochak@gmail.com - 2017-03-02 22:03 -0800
        Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-03-03 18:13 -0500
          Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-04 09:41 -0800
            objectum noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-06 16:51 -0800
  Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-02 19:51 +1100
    Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Arindam Banerjee <banerjeeadda1234@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 02:49 -0800
      Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest noTthaTguY <abu.kuanysh05@gmail.com> - 2017-03-02 18:06 -0800
        Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-03-03 15:10 +1100
      Re: Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest Michael J. Strickland <michael06582@comcast.net> - 2017-03-03 19:12 -0500
  Re: Experiments on video showing a new physics effect along with its consequences for space conquest "Antonio Humidifier" <mahipals_ballsack@gmail.com> - 2017-03-03 18:35 -0800

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