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Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics
Date 2017-02-27 09:57 +1100
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On 27/02/2017 1:26 AM, matt.rush200@outlook.com wrote:
> Sylvia Else
>> Why do you think the speed of the source is relevant? Even with sound
>> waves the speed of the source doesn't affect the speed of the sound.
>
> Sound waves are compression waves in a medium. Light waves are not.
> The speed of the source is relevant because it is observed to change
> the speed of light in water. If light waves were constant in the water frame
> regardless of the motion of the source relative to the water then one
> wouldnt need to transform the data showing a variable speed using a
> mathematical transformation as SR does.
>
\

The speed of light in water varies somewhat with frequency. A moving 
source changes the frequency via the Doppler effect. I challenge you to 
cite an experiment (one that actually been done) that shows a variation 
in the speed of light in water that is not completely accounted for by 
this change in frequency.

Subject to effects already discussed, I challenge you to cite any 
experiment that shows that the speed of light in water is not constant 
in the frame of the water.

Sylvia.

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Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-02-23 17:27 -0600
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    Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-25 20:08 +1100
      Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-25 02:47 -0800
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          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2017-02-25 11:36 -0800
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-26 15:01 +1100
        Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-26 00:12 +1100
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-26 15:06 +1100
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-26 07:13 -0800
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-27 12:59 +1100
            Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2017-02-27 01:08 +0000
              Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-27 13:00 +1100
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                Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2017-02-27 19:58 +1100
          Re: Why should I learn mathematics to understand physics matt.rush200@outlook.com - 2017-02-26 01:08 -0800
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