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Re: Is it legal to download K&R from this site ?

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On 2/11/2017 1:36 PM, James R. Kuyper wrote:
> On 02/11/2017 01:02 PM, void wrote:
>> On Saturday, February 11, 2017 at 4:18:14 PM UTC+1, James R. Kuyper
>> wrote:
> ...
>>> C99 has been amended by three technical corrigenda, each of which
>>> specified the changes to be made to C99. However, it has never been
>>> officially released with those changes made. n1256.pdf is an unofficial
>>> (but still ISO) draft of what C99 would look like with those changes,
>>> making it paradoxically more useful than any official version of C99. It
>>> contains only one known error relative to it's official base documents,
>>> and is absolutely free. How could K&R be cheaper than that?
>>>
>>> n1570.pdf is almost identical to the final C2011 standard, having only
>>> one known error, and is also available for free.
>>>
>>
>> Drafts can give C programmers a quick view on new features but these
>> documents are incomplete descriptions of future standards. Of course,
> 
> I don't think you properly understand exactly what n1256.pdf and
> n1570.pdf are. They contain almost exactly the same text as the actual
> standard, formatted almost exactly as it is in the actual standard.
> C2011 may have been a "future standard" at the time n1570.pdf was
> produced, but it is no longer a "future standard". At the time n1256.pdf
> was created, C99+TC1+TC2+TC3 was already the current standard. n1256.pdf
> differs from the final version of C99 only by reason of incorporating
> the changes specified in TC1, TC2, and TC3. Those changes were
> officially approved, but a version of the standard with those changes
> actually implemented has never been officially approved, and my
> understanding is that there never will be such a version. So n1256.pdf
> is not, in any sense, a description of any "future standard".
> 
> ...
>> C99 may be almost completely implemented by popular compilers but
>> thatdoesn't mean that C99 features are required by all C programmers.
> 
> I wasn't talking about C99 features being required. There are clumsy
> workarounds for dealing with most of the situations where C99 features
> are more convenient than C90. I'm saying that for most of those
> features, compilers that support those features are sufficiently widely
> available that it is not justifiable to avoid using those features for
> the sake of portability (avoiding a feature because you just don't like
> it is a different matter entirely).
> If there's any C99 feature that you like, you should feel free to use it
> without worrying about the possibility that your code might need to be
> ported to a platform for which there is no compiler that implements that
> feature. Only worry about such issues if and when they come up. And if
> they do come up, consider the possibility of delaying the port until
> after you've successfully pressured someone to actually implement the
> feature for that platform.
> 
>> Actually I prefer to comply to C90 most of the time or C95 for i18n
>> support and C99 for big integers. Actually, writing C90 code doesn't
>> prevent you from using C99 compilers. ;-)
> 
> I said nothing to suggest that it did; but it is in fact the case that
> some code that was correct according to C90 is no longer correct
> according to the latest version of the standard. This includes any code
> that relies upon implicit int, uses gets(), or uses an identifier that
> matches one of the newer keywords. However, I will concede that most
> code which avoids those pitfalls should compile just fine under C99.
> 
I'm still reluctant to use MSVC as a C compiler, even though VS2015
accepts a majority of the C99 features I use, and performs competitively
on a majority of my code.  I've not seen any documentation of the VS2015
subset of C99.  Not knowing the intended limitations detracts from its
usefulness as a C compiler.  So does the limitation to OpenMP 2.0, but
this comment will get me ostracized from usenet.

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