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Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Subject Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat
Date 2016-12-05 11:23 +1100
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On 5/12/2016 1:16 AM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
> On Sunday, December 4, 2016 at 2:19:05 AM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
>> On 4/12/2016 5:01 PM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>>> On Saturday, December 3, 2016 at 11:04:39 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>> On 3/12/2016 2:24 PM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>>>>> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 8:53:06 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>> On 3/12/2016 1:41 PM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>> On Friday, December 2, 2016 at 8:10:42 PM UTC-6, Sylvia Else wrote:
>>>>>>>> On 3/12/2016 12:29 AM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia Else
>>>>>>>>> On 2/12/2016 10:25 AM, David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Space time is flat for the same reason water drains out of your tub drain at a steady rate.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I'm pretty sure that it doesn't.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sylvia
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> To provide just a little reasoning behind my guess
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In physics, the fine-structure constant, also known as Sommerfeld's constant, commonly denoted α (the Greek letter alpha), is a fundamental physical constant characterizing the strength of the electromagnetic interaction between elementary charged particles.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> This would directly influence the Quantum Physical creation of particle pair creation from the vacuum and the initial conditions of & resultant effects to the volume of spacetime.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> All along I have been saying a mass energy scalar per cubic meter needs to be derived.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> & the fourth root of c is 131.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> 299792458^(1 / 4) = 131.584633668
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (137036^4) * (G^2) * 2 = 3.14160446
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> ((137036^4) * (G^2) * 2) / pi = 1.00000376
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's the point of ignoring my comment and just adding more gibberish?
>>>>>>>> You thought something about tubs that is obviously wrong to anyone who
>>>>>>>> thinks about the physics, yet you expect to be taken seriously on a much
>>>>>>>> deeper problem?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is "Mostly a Steady rate of flow" and a has Predictable rate of change in flow
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's not mostly steady - it varies continuously. Being predictable is
>>>>>> not the same as being steady.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sylvia.
>>>>>
>>>>> Inertia and the Speed of light make it Very Steady
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Gravity and relativistic mass make changes Very Preictable
>>>>>
>>>>> Gravity is the fine Structure constant
>>>>>
>>>>> ((137036^4) * (G^2)) / (pi / 2) =  1.00000376
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Are you under the impression that this numerology nonsense means something?
>>>>
>>>> You omit the dimensions in these postings. For example, the number
>>>> 1.00000376 quoted above has the dimensions force * distance^2 / mass^2
>>>> which means that it's only close to one because of the particular choice
>>>> of units.
>>>>
>>>> Sylvia.
>>>
>>> Sweet Mother Mary ..... Are you that Dull .... or set in your ways or are you just being a TROLL ???
>>>
>>> If the Fine Structrue constant is a DIMENSIONLESS CONSTANT ..... THEN .....
>>>
>>>
>>> THIS ...(((137036^4) * (6.67406745595e-11^2)) * 2) = pi .... Means GRAVITY is DIMENSIONLESS ALSO
>>
>> Things don't become dimensionless just because you want them to, nor
>> because you can write an equation which would only be correct if they
>> were dimensionless.
>>
>> Sylvia.
>
> it seems impossible for 2 & pi to add dimension from FSC to G
>
> G would just be the curvature of time relative to space, mimicking a force pushing objects together
>
G already has dimensions, and the fine structure constant is 
dimensionless, so your equation cannot possibly be correct.

Sylvia.

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The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-01 15:25 -0800
  Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-02 20:12 +1100
    Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 05:29 -0800
      Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-03 13:10 +1100
        Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 18:41 -0800
          Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-03 13:53 +1100
            Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:24 -0800
              Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-04 16:04 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 22:01 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-04 19:18 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 06:16 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 06:30 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 06:34 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 06:54 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 10:33 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-05 11:23 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 16:53 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-05 12:36 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:37 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-05 13:56 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 19:09 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-05 15:41 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 20:46 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-05 15:50 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 21:15 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-05 22:14 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 07:15 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 07:35 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-06 11:07 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 17:07 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-06 13:22 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 17:15 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 17:20 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 17:27 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-06 11:01 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 20:46 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 19:10 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 19:25 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 20:39 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:48 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-04 18:54 -0800
            Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:33 -0800
              Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:36 -0800
              Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:45 -0800
            Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:42 -0800
            Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 20:19 -0800
              Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-12-03 22:01 +1100
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 06:26 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 06:30 -0800
                Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-03 06:34 -0800
        Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-02 19:46 -0800
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    Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 09:48 -0800
    Re: The Fine Structure Constant causes space-time to be Flat "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-12-05 09:50 -0800
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