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On 30/11/2018 04:39, JanPB wrote:
> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 8:12:44 PM UTC-8, Keith Stein wrote:
>> On 29/11/2018 23:18, JanPB wrote:
>>> On Thursday, November 29, 2018 at 7:27:41 AM UTC-8, Keith Stein wrote:
>>>> Never was a good reason to change that.
>>>
>>> Here are some reasons Einstein started with in 1905:
>>>
>>> 1. Newton's equations are invariant under x' = x - vt but Maxwell's
>>> equation aren't.
>>
>> Of course Maxwell's equations ARE COMPATIBLE WITH GALILEAN TRANSFORMATIONS.
> 
> No, they are not. Where have you been? Already the Biot-Savart law fails for Galilean
> moving systems.

Not only did Maxwell NOT introduce the constants mu(0) or epsilon(0),
but he very clearly rejected these concepts - "A MEDIUM NECESSARY" was
the title of Maxwell's final chapter in his famous Treatise. So while
the Biot-Savart law is usually expressed with a mu(0), there will be no 
difficulty if one uses the magnetic permeability OF THE MEDIUM. Both
magnetic fields and electric fields are strains IN THE MEDIUM, a fact
of which Maxwell was well aware.


>>> This is very odd if one presumes (as was presumed
>>> at the time) that all mechanical interactions at the macroscopic level
>>> were a consequence of electromagnetic interactions at the microscopic
>>> level.
>>
>> Nothing odd at all, provided one includes the "medium".
> 
> Sure. But the oddity remains: what is it exactly that causes Newtonian mechanics
> to suddenly ignore the medium while Maxwellian electrodynamics does not AND
> mechanical interactions were supposed to result from the electromagnetic ones
> at the microscopic level?

Newtonian mechanics no more ignores the medium than Maxwell's 
electrodynamics. Where a cannon ball lands surely depends on
the wind speed eh!

> I agree it's not contradictory, it's just extremely disheartening.

Don't be disheartened Jan, nothing could be more simple than
Maxwell's e-m theory, with the medium, and Galilean Transforms.

>> Maxwell's equation for electromagnetic waves is of exactly
>> the same form as the wave equation for sound,
> 
> Maxwell's equations force electromagnetic waves in vacuum

That's where you go wrong Jan. There isn't any "vacuum" anywhere,
and Maxwell's waves travel relative to the stuff they travel through,
just like every other kind of wave too eh!

> to be transverse,
> so it's nowhere near "exactly". That was the problem. Some of the Big Names
> of the era were trying to resolve this by endowing aether with properties designed
> to prohibit it from supporting longitudinal components. None of those approaches
> looked anywhere near convincing.

Forget "aether" - it only confuses you.

>> and indeed
>> Maxwell's equations transform from one coordinate system
>> to another, in exactly the same way as do the equations
>> for sound. i.e. work out where the wave is in the frame
>> of reference in which the medium is stationary, and transform
>> to any other frame using Galilean Transformations.
> 
> Maxwell's equations are not invariant under the Galilean transform. As I said
> above, already the Biot-Savart law fails under those transformations.

You are wrong, in that there is no problem so long as one includes
the medium.

>> [...]
>>
>>> 2. Lorentz et al. discovered Maxwell's equations were in fact invariant
>>> under a different transformation which transformed the electric vectors
>>> E and 'and _time_. This was assumed a mere mathematical property of
>>> the equations.
>>
>> AISB Maxwell's e-m wave equation is identical in form to the
>> wave equation for sound, or indeed for any wave in a medium,
>> and transforms in exactly the same way.
> 
> Wave equations is NOT equivalent to Maxwell's equations, it's a simplification
> that loses some of the information contained in the original. An example is
> that electromagnetic waves in vacuum must be transverse. It's FAPP a show-stopper
> as far as any traditional medium is concerned.

Google FAPP:

FAPP - What does FAPP stand for? The Free Dictionary
https://acronyms.thefreedictionary.com/FAPP

We developed FAPP to supply chickens and fertile eggs for research on 
Newcastle disease, avian influenza, and infectious bronchitis, which 
cause heavy losses in ..

????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>> 3. The aether model had other problems:
>>
>> Forget the damn "aether" !
> 
> You keep talking about the medium: you brought it up when I mentioned Maxwell's
> equations were not invariant under the Galilean transform.

You can not understand Maxwell's Theory, or light, or the Doppler Shift,
while you are blind to the "medium" Jan. The "medium" is the matter of
finite density which the wave is passing through. Maxwell's primary
example of a medium for his e-m waves was "air".

>>    it had to be both FAPP infinitely
>>> permeable and FAPP infinitely rigid. More fatally, it supported
>>> longitudinal electromagnetic waves in vacuum which Maxwell's
>>> equations prohibit. Several different ad hoc properties were tacked
>>> onto aether in an attempt to explain this away. It amounted to adding
>>> more tuning knobs.

Still don't know what FAPP is, but i do know there is no
problem with Maxwell's theory at the macroscopic level,
providing you don't ignore the medium.

>>> 4. Lots of other things, e.g. the magnet-and-coil situation that Einstein
>>> quotes in the summary of his paper.
>>
>> Nothing mysterious about the behavior of magnets and coils either,
>> in spite of what Einstein said.
> 
> Assertion is not a valid rebuttal. Sorry.

What's your problem with the magnet-and-coil Jan?

>>> 5. None of the ad hoc aether theories could explain all known experimental
>>> results satisfactorily. See e.g. the table summarising the problems
>>> with observations in Panofsky and Phillips.
>>
>> No "aether" eh!
> 
> See Panofsky and Phillips, page 282.
>

I have neither "Panofsky", "Phillips" nor "aether" eh!

>>> Given all that, Einstein's solution is rather brilliant:
>>
>> Einstein's brilliant solution was a solution to a problem
>> which did not exist Jan.
> 
> I have just listed several problems, most important ones are:
> 
> 1. Maxwell's equations are not invariant under the Galilean transform while
> Newton's mechanics is,

If you mean that Maxwell's theory gives a velocity of light
which varies with the speed of the medium, then of course it
do, anything else would be what gives a problem eh!

> 2. Electromagnetic waves in vacuum are transverse.

Electromagnetic waves "in a medium" are indeed transverse.
There is no problem with that at the macroscopic level,
and if you hold to an atomic model in which e-m waves
can not be transverse, then for sure it is your atomic
model which is wrong eh!


keith stein

> --
> Jan
> 

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t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:27 +0000
  Wacko Keith Stein at work "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 07:37 -0800
    Re t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 16:09 +0000
      Imbecile Keith Stein perseveres "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 08:33 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 17:35 +0000
      Re: Re t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:29 -0800
  Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-29 11:56 -0800
    Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-11-30 09:32 -0800
      Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-11-30 18:43 +0100
        Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 06:45 -0800
          Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:10 +0000
          Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 15:41 +0100
            Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 10:26 -0600
              Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 04:25 +0100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:13 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 05:59 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 14:29 +0000
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 14:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:42 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:29 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 12:58 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 03:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 19:39 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 04:35 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 20:51 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein perseveres in inserting foot in mouth "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-03 22:03 -0800
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 16:32 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:12 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:32 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 15:45 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-03 08:01 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:43 +0000
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 13:28 -0600
                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 16:43 +0000
      Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 22:46 +0000
        Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:03 +0000
          Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:20 -0800
            Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:40 +0000
              Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 10:15 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 04:53 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 16:51 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
                Re: t' = t Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-12-01 10:34 -0800
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 11:20 -0800
                Re: t' = t Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-12-01 04:53 -0800
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:21 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:43 +0000
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 21:35 -0800
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 17:31 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 16:24 +0100
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 08:36 -0800
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 12:45 -0800
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 21:52 +0100
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 22:17 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 01:39 +0100
                Re: t' = t moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-03 01:12 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 03:53 +0100
                Re: t' = t "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 11:07 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 15:05 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 17:46 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 18:28 +0000
                Re: t' = t kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:45 -0800
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-01 18:30 +0100
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-01 16:06 -0600
                Re: t' = t Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-01 22:34 +0000
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 12:13 +0100
                Re: t' = t Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 13:26 -0600
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 21:57 +0100
                Re: t' = t Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-03 22:41 +0100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 17:49 +0000
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 19:59 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 20:01 -0800
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                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (reboot) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 12:29 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 17:34 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 12:33 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-02 21:56 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 17:04 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-02 14:06 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 16:29 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-12-02 22:51 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-02 22:25 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Mole Santiago <msb@awwnuvs.an> - 2018-12-03 22:01 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:28 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 15:19 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:30 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 11:14 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 21:09 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 07:37 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 17:07 +0000
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-03 11:36 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-03 12:41 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-12-04 12:34 -0600
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-05 07:25 -0800
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-12-07 00:46 +0100
                Re: Measuring the Relativity of Simultaneity (was Re: t' = t) Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
  Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-11-30 10:09 +1100
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:14 +0000
      Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-01 10:20 +1100
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 05:31 +0000
          Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 08:03 +1100
            Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-01 22:10 +0000
              Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-01 14:33 -0800
              Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-02 09:50 +1100
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 00:55 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 18:08 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:38 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-02 22:38 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 07:58 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 08:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 18:22 +0000
                Re: t' = t yeurohenry@gmail.com - 2018-12-03 12:37 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 02:52 +0000
                haRe: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-03 04:03 +0000
                Re: haRe: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-02 21:00 -0800
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-03 16:23 +1100
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-04 22:58 +1100
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 04:23 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 13:56 +0000
                Keith Stein, piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 07:02 -0800
                Re: Dono Don't Know Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:25 +0000
                Keith Stein, the village idiot "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-12-04 08:35 -0800
                Re: Keith Stein, the village idiot Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:14 +0000
                Re: t' = t Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-12-04 07:14 -0800
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 16:50 +0000
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:27 +0000
                Re: t' = t Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-12-04 18:37 +0000
                Re: t' = t Sylvia Else <sylvia@email.invalid> - 2018-12-05 10:58 +1100
  Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 15:18 -0800
    Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 04:12 +0000
      Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-11-29 20:39 -0800
        Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 06:43 +0000
      Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:06 -0800
        Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 07:30 +0000
          Re: Keith Stein, an ignorant piece of shit "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-29 23:36 -0800
            Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 10:02 +0000
              Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 04:47 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:30 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 05:40 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:05 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:15 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 14:37 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 15:24 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:17 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:27 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 17:57 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-11-30 10:43 -0800
                Cretin Keith Stein on the internet "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2018-11-30 10:59 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:33 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-11-30 10:21 -0800
                Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 23:10 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 06:48 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:01 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 16:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 18:18 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 19:56 +0000
                Re: c' = c + v kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-12-01 07:38 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-11-30 13:34 -0800
                Re: c' = c + v Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2018-11-30 11:07 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-04 10:45 -0800
      Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:33 +0000
  Re: t' = t Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-12-06 17:06 +0000
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-07 13:41 -0800
    Re: t' = t alsor@interia.pl - 2018-12-07 14:04 -0800
  Re: t' = t carleto4157990662@gmail.com - 2018-12-09 10:51 -0800
    Re: t' = t JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-12-09 12:33 -0800

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