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Re: Reality versus Math

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On Friday, June 9, 2017 at 7:25:05 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 6:00:37 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> > On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 1:30:16 PM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > > On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 2:56:26 PM UTC-4, JanPB wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 6:27:16 AM UTC-7, kenseto wrote:
> > > > > On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 4:49:05 PM UTC-4, Odd Bodkin wrote:
> > > > > > On 6/7/17 2:52 PM, JanPB wrote:
> > > > > > > On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 10:53:13 PM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > >> W dniu środa, 7 czerwca 2017 00:25:53 UTC+2 użytkownik JanPB napisał:
> > > > > > >>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 11:42:31 AM UTC-7, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > >>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 20:33:02 UTC+2 użytkownik Wozniak napisał:
> > > > > > >>>>> On Tuesday, June 6, 2017 at 7:44:08 AM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 18:30:27 UTC+2 użytkownik einstein....@gmail.com napisał:
> > > > > > >>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 11:37:04 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 11:21:37 UTC+2 użytkownik Groupie napisał:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> On Monday, June 5, 2017 at 8:28:13 PM UTC-10, mlwo...@wp.pl wrote:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> W dniu wtorek, 6 czerwca 2017 07:56:13 UTC+2 użytkownik Poutnik napisał:
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Dne 06/06/2017 v 07:49 Eckard B napsal(a):
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> Doesn't the expression TOTAL NONSENSE indicate that Ed Lake might be wrong?
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> The topic "reality vs. math" did certainly deserve being better discussed, cf. e.g. FQXi. For instance, the late Einstein admitted that the now worries him
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>> seriously. Why? Reality is open in Popper's sense. Science can merely provide models.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Better wording would be
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>     "Reality versus physical theories",
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> as theories are reality models,
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> involving mathematical description.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>> Math itself has nothing to do with reality.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> Speaking of math, it's always good to remind that
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> your idiot guru has rejected it's oldest and
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> very important part. Because "common sense is
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>> a collection of prejudices".
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>> "You're dumber than dirt."
> > > > > > >>>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> You can't deny, but you can rave and spit.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>> As expected from a fanatic idiot.
> > > > > > >>>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>>> You really are one malignantly stupid speck of fecal matter!
> > > > > > >>>>>>> :))
> > > > > > >>>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>>> You really can do nothing except raving and
> > > > > > >>>>>> spitting.
> > > > > > >>>>>> As expected from a relativistic moron.
> > > > > > >>>>>
> > > > > > >>>>> "Unplonk"
> > > > > > >>>>> I have no idea about relativity.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Don't worry. Nobody of your fanatic bunch has.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> ...said Maciej Wozniak, who cannot answer simple test questions.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>>> But it's easy to see that you are just an angry idiot.
> > > > > > >>>>> You're probably angry at everyone else because, justifiably, they make you feel incredibly stupid.
> > > > > > >>>>
> > > > > > >>>> Rave, moron, and spit.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> If he wants to do that, it's none of your business. Just keep your distance.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>>> What else can you do
> > > > > > >>>> meeting someone that makes you feel incredibly
> > > > > > >>>> stupid.
> > > > > > >>>
> > > > > > >>> But it is you who cannot answer simple questions designed to test your
> > > > > > >>> knowledge.
> > > > > > >>
> > > > > > >> You're too stupid to design a question, Jan. Face
> > > > > > >> it.
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > No, my question was perfectly legit, stop lying about it. Here it is
> > > > > > > again: calculate the curvature of the graph of exp(z) (the complex
> > > > > > > exponential).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > --
> > > > > > > Jan
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Maciej lives for the same kind of world where reside Ken Seto and Ralph 
> > > > > > Rabbidge and Robert Winn and the like. They are the advocates of the 
> > > > > > everyman, people who want science to be not only accessible but easily 
> > > > > > understandable to all. To this end, they insist that owe of most people are 
> > > > > > okay in their day to day existence using nothing but 19th century 
> > > > > > freshman physics and common sense, then this should be all there is to 
> > > > > > physics. Lowest common denominator physics, the practical science that 
> > > > > > every high school graduate might know.
> > > > > 
> > > > > No idiot.... we object to the use of non-existing mathematical objects to explain the processes of nature. For example:
> > > > > 1. Physicists claim 11 or 26 dimensions of space and one dimension of time. But there are only three dimensions of space and one dimension of time. 
> > > > 
> > > > Then kindly complain to Lagrange (who needs one 6-dimensional space
> > > > for each particle + 1 time dimension) and to Hamilton (who needs (2n+1)-
> > > > dimensional space in the form of an _incompressible fluid_ (so a
> > > > "fictitious" one) for n particles, etc. All this is classical mechanics
> > > > from 18th and 19th century.
> > > 
> > > All these are mathematical curiosities.....
> > 
> > I don't know what you mean by "curiosities". They no more "non-existing"
> > than any other mathematical model (including the ones you approve of).
> > It's rather obvious that what you declare "curiosities" are simply concepts
> > you didn’t study and don't understand.
> 
> Extra dimensions do not exit.

Maybe, maybe not. You constantly mix science with philosophy and whenever
a difficult philosophical question presents itself, you assume this is
a problem of physics.

--
Jan

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Re: Reality versus Math Eckard B <eckard.blumschein@arcor.de> - 2017-06-05 22:49 -0700
  Re: Reality versus Math Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 07:56 +0200
    Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-05 23:28 -0700
      Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 02:21 -0700
        Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 02:37 -0700
          Re: Reality versus Math einstein.groupie69@gmail.com - 2017-06-06 09:30 -0700
            Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 10:44 -0700
              Re: Reality versus Math Wozniak <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 11:32 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 11:42 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 15:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Ernardin Regoire <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-07 20:01 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:11 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:16 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:45 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 13:22 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 13:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 15:49 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-07 14:09 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 06:27 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 12:16 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 12:52 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:27 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:13 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:55 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 15:18 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-09 15:58 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 14:02 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:10 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Kitubu Nkyaku <akntuu@buwkau.kk> - 2017-06-09 19:12 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-10 16:26 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:54 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-10 09:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:29 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-08 23:23 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 11:56 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-08 13:30 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2017-06-08 21:00 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 16:35 -0500
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-08 15:00 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-09 00:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:49 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2017-06-09 07:25 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math "David (Lord Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2017-06-09 08:06 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 12:51 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math Jim Limey <eeug@dnne.ri> - 2017-06-09 14:35 +0000
                Re: Reality versus Math Groupie <einstein.groupie69@gmail.com> - 2017-06-06 17:15 -0700
                Re: Reality versus Math benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2017-06-06 21:41 -0400
                Re: Reality versus Math mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2017-06-06 22:53 -0700
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