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Re: Atheism is Witchcraft

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On 01/10/2016 13:16, Attila wrote:
> On Sat, 1 Oct 2016 11:39:57 +1000, "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> in
> alt.atheism with message-id <e58ifgFfe6uU1@mid.individual.net> wrote:
>
>> On 30/09/2016 21:41, Attila wrote:
>>> On Fri, 30 Sep 2016 00:43:08 -0700 (PDT), hhyapster@gmail.com in
>>> alt.atheism with message-id
>>> <1a078491-d220-4cbb-a5c4-ed35d4d921b7@googlegroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Communism is actually a just system, equality among all people.
>>>
>>> It is unworkable outside of a small primitive community.
>>
>> The communities do not have to be primitive, but yes, they have to be
>> small.  There is a practical size limit, dictated by Dunbar's Number
>>
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunbar%27s_number
>>
>> and by external pressures.  The more isolated and marginal a community,
>> the more important cooperation and sharing of resources becomes.
>>
>> There is also the issue of how to define "communism": of resources only,
>> or of total egalitarianism in authority and hierarchical structures as
>> well?  It is one thing to share the working and harvest of pastures and
>> fields, it is quite another to sit down and have communal discussion and
>> agreement on every aspect of life....
>
> The community must be small enough so that the members all know each
> other and can use social pressure to insure it works.  Since it is
> contrary to human nature it is unworkable in any extended society, as
> demonstrated wherever it has been tried.

A theoretical exception might be nomadic cultures: by the nature of 
their lifestyle, it is not just difficult but actively problematic to 
amass personal property.  But in general, yes, the size limitations 
definitely hold true.

I suppose one could posit a society composed entirely of small 
communities ordered along practical communist (or at least socialist) 
lines, but I rather doubt that without isolation from other cultures 
such a setup could survive for any length of time.

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  Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 06:50 +0200
    Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-09-17 23:24 -0700
      Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-18 20:14 +0200
        Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-18 15:06 -0400
          Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-09-30 06:33 +0200
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-29 23:27 -0700
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:59 -0400
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-09-30 00:43 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 07:41 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 11:39 +1000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:16 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-01 14:53 +1000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 04:48 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-02 10:40 +1100
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 20:49 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-02 13:46 +0000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-10-02 23:14 +0000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-03 12:15 +1100
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 21:25 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-10-03 13:43 +1100
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:48 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:10 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-01 10:42 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-10-01 19:09 -0700
            Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 02:54 -0400
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 02:06 -0500
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-09-30 11:17 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-09-30 14:07 -0500
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-09-30 23:11 -0400
              Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-01 08:52 +0200
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-01 05:00 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 07:39 +0200
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 02:24 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Ned Latham <nedlatham@woden.valhalla.oz> - 2016-10-02 11:53 +0000
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-10-02 09:01 -0400
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-10-02 18:02 +0200
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-10-02 11:02 -0700
                Re: Atheism is Witchcraft hhyapster@gmail.com - 2016-10-02 19:33 -0700

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