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Re: QM and GR.

From	Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups	sci.physics.relativity
Subject	Re: QM and GR.
Date	2016-07-18 06:56 +0200
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Am 17.07.2016 17:17, schrieb Tom Roberts:

>> You may have noticed, that I have refereed to 'spacetime of GR' with
>> 'something'.
>> My plan was, to build particles out of THAT 'something'.
>
> This is a PUN on "something" -- such unacknowledged puns destroy your
> argument.
>
> Spacetime is a "something" in the sense that humans can imagine it IN
> THEIR MINDS. That is, spacetime is part of the MODEL, inherently and
> ineluctably so.
>
> Careful authors do not imply spacetime is a "thing", because it is NOT.
>
> Particles (in the sense you mean) are "something" in the sense of
> EXISTING IN THE WORLD.
>
> Your "plan" here conflates two completely incommensurate ideas, which is
> hopeless.

Not quite right.

'Spacetime of GR' is not just a model.  It is not, as you assume,  an 
abstract combination of Newtonian space and absolute time.

'Newtonian space' is identified  -by me - to what is called in 
relativity ligo 'past-light-cone' (of the specific observer).

This space is co-moving, since the observer moves in time.

As species living on planet Earth we all see the same sky, because the 
direction 'above' is almost parallel.

So the surface of our home planet is a 'time domain'.


But what is it, that we observe in space?

My assumption is, that spacetime of GR is in fact a real 'thing' and 
what we call matter are timelike stable patterns within this 'thing'.

So I describe the entire universe in past and future as one piece and 
call that 'spacetime'.

I assume this 'something' behaves like a fractal and is composed of the 
equivalent to a point, which I call 'elements of spacetime'.

(What that is in a more technical sense, I do not want to answer, since 
it is out of the range of my research. )

Such elements are assumed to be connected like quaternions are 
multiplied, what is kind of rotation.

So I take such assumed elements and let them twist each other and 
compare the emerging timelike patters to what we call 'atoms'.

And this does work. Only things had to be slightly reinterpreted.
So an atom is not composed from particles, but certain aspects of a 
'rotation wave' are, what we call particles.

E.g. the outer shell is then what we call 'electrons', while the 
opposite occurs in the centre, where this wave would return outwards.

This kind of matter is depending on the axis of time, hence is 
'relative'. It could eventually pop out of the realm of observability.

Such matter could also be created or destroyed.

As prove such effects do occur in the real world, I tried to prove 
'Growing Earth'.


TH

Thread

QM and GR. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-09 08:20 -0700
  Re: QM and GR. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-09 18:02 +0200
    Re: QM and GR. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-09 16:51 -0700
      Re: QM and GR. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-09 17:55 -0700
  Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-10 07:16 +0200
    Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-11 06:04 +0200
  Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-10 08:25 -0500
  Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-10 10:28 -0500
    Re: QM and GR. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:00 -0700
      Re: QM and GR. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 17:08 +0200
        Re: QM and GR. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:12 -0700
      Re: QM and GR. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 08:08 -0700
        Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 13:42 -0500
          Re: QM and GR. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:07 -0700
            Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-11 14:15 -0500
              Re: QM and GR. Y <yanarchi@hotmail.com> - 2016-07-11 12:29 -0700
          Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-14 22:48 +0200
            Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-14 16:30 -0500
              Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-15 07:03 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-15 07:37 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-15 22:56 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 13:02 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-16 22:17 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-16 16:47 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-18 07:09 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-17 10:17 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-18 06:56 +0200
    Re: QM and GR. Jack Chardy <jackc@outlool.org> - 2016-07-11 15:27 +0000
      Re: QM and GR. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-16 15:31 +1000
        Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-16 12:15 -0700
          Re: QM and GR. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-18 15:01 +1000
        Re: QM and GR. Greg Buttler <grgb@novotnysite.org> - 2016-07-22 16:09 +0000
          Re: QM and GR. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-25 12:21 +1000
            Re: QM and GR. Tsvetana Kasatkina <tzve@noemail.info> - 2016-07-29 20:23 +0000
        Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-22 22:39 -0500
          Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-23 08:14 +0200
            Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-23 10:43 -0500
            Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-23 12:33 -0500
              Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-23 22:41 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-24 07:12 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-26 09:21 +0200
              Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-27 07:11 +0200
          Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-23 11:21 -0700
            Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-24 22:39 -0500
              Re: QM and GR. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-07-25 09:12 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 07:02 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-07-25 16:23 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 12:44 -0700
              Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-25 10:22 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-27 12:15 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-29 13:51 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 16:04 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-31 11:32 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 14:19 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-31 12:35 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 14:56 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-31 13:37 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 16:09 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-31 15:03 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-31 17:11 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-31 16:05 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 08:17 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-01 12:30 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 15:11 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-01 13:36 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 17:02 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-30 08:27 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-31 12:25 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 13:47 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-01 14:17 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 17:04 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-01 18:01 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-01 19:57 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 07:04 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 12:37 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-05 08:37 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 12:40 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-06 14:47 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 13:16 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-08 13:25 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 14:16 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-10 10:52 -0700
          Re: QM and GR. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-25 16:45 +1000
            Re: QM and GR. Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-07-25 16:46 +1000
            Re: QM and GR. Poutnik <poutnik4nntp@gmail.com> - 2016-07-25 11:08 +0200
            Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-25 12:28 -0500
              Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-25 10:51 -0700
              Re: QM and GR. wugi <brol@brol.be> - 2016-07-26 12:11 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-07-27 12:11 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-07-29 10:20 +0200
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-07-29 07:13 -0500
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. Adlbifhr Mjduhgfks <am@random.us> - 2016-08-07 15:36 +0000
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-07 11:16 -0700
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-08-08 13:21 -0700
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-08-08 13:36 -0700
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-08-07 12:31 -0500
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-08 06:57 -0500
                Re: The rate at which the time axis grows, relative to the spatial dimensions. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-08 07:18 +0200
                Re: _Nothing_ can change the future, present or past. Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-08-08 10:10 -0700
                Re: _Nothing_ can change the future, present or past. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-08 11:02 -0700
                Re: _Nothing_ can change the future, present or past. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-08 13:14 -0500
                Re: _Nothing_ can change the future, present or past. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-08 22:52 +0200
                Re: Nature decides _everything_. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-09 08:42 +0200
                Re: Nature decides _everything_. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:16 -0700
                Re: Nature decides _everything_. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-08-09 07:49 -0700
                Re: Nature programmed you to choose one over the other. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-09 12:09 -0700
                Re: Nature programmed you to choose one over the other. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-08-09 13:35 -0700
                Re: Nature programmed you to choose one over the other. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-08-09 23:53 +0200
                Re: Nature programmed you to choose one over the other. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 18:17 -0400
                Re: _Nothing_ can change the future, present or past. chrisv <chrisv@nospam.invalid> - 2016-08-09 06:51 -0500
                Re: _Nothing_ can change the future, present or past. benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2016-08-09 17:51 -0400
              Re: QM and GR. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-02 06:41 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-02 23:55 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-03 05:27 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-03 07:39 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-05 05:25 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-05 08:07 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-06 07:51 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 15:57 -0500
                Re: QM and GR. kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2016-08-06 14:49 -0700
                Re: QM and GR. Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-08-06 17:30 -0500
  Re: QM and GR. astrofoton@interia.pl - 2016-07-15 17:06 -0700

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