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Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature

From Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address>
Newsgroups alt.atheism, alt.agonsticism, alt.talk.creationism, sci.skeptic, alt.philosophy
Subject Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature
Date 2016-06-08 12:38 +1000
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On 7/06/2016 12:07 PM, Dale wrote:

> I am not proposing a "God(s) of the gaps" explanation, what I am
> saying is that we have ample evidence of biogenesis, eternal
> panspermia could be a possibility

Yet as you yourself seem to have noted, it's not consistent with the 
best theory we have of how the universe has evolved with time. That is, 
for eternal panspermia to be correct, our interpretation of what we see 
in the universe must be fundamentally wrong.

We don't see abiogenisis in nature, but would we expect to, even if it 
were occurring? Any newly appearing life would be incredibly primitive, 
and would just be a tasty morsel for the existing life forms. It would 
never get the chance to evolve into something more substantial. That 
option only existed on the early Earth when it was otherwise sterile.

In addition, abiogenisis may very well be extremely rare. It may be so 
rare that it was only a huge fluke that life appeared on Earth at all. 
How would we know?

Overall, at the moment, abiogenisis seems much more plausible that 
eternal panspermia, which, you may care to note, we also don't see in 
nature.

Sylvia.

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abiogenesis not observed in nature Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2016-06-06 22:07 -0400
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 19:10 -0700
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2016-06-07 00:29 -0400
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:29 -0500
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 23:32 -0400
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2016-06-07 00:27 -0400
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 00:44 -0400
        Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:09 -0500
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:08 -0500
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-07 10:16 -0500
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-07 10:14 -0500
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 00:13 -0400
        Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 14:17 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Kelsey Bjarnason <kbjarnason@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 20:46 -0700
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Dale <dale@dalekelly.org> - 2016-06-07 00:25 -0400
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 00:42 -0400
        Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:28 -0500
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:24 -0500
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 16:57 -0700
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:14 -0500
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 01:05 -0500
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:43 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Don Kresch <no@spam.org> - 2016-06-07 07:16 -0500
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-07 10:12 -0500
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-07 12:08 -0500
      Re: abiogenesis was not observed in nature by anyone who was not there when it happened Wisely Non-Theist <aaa@bbb.ccc> - 2016-06-07 15:54 -0600
        Re: abiogenesis was not observed in nature by anyone who was not there when it happened John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-07 18:34 -0700
        Re: abiogenesis was not observed in nature by anyone who was not there when it happened Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 19:46 -0700
          Re: abiogenesis was not observed in nature by anyone who was not there when it happened "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 19:54 -0700
            Re: abiogenesis was not observed in nature by anyone who was not there when it happened Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 14:06 -0700
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 19:44 -0700
        Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature "%" <persent@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 19:55 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-07 08:52 -0700
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 19:20 -0700
      Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-08 05:58 -0500
        Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-08 06:01 -0700
          Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-08 08:17 -0700
            Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-08 10:53 -0500
              Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-09 07:50 -0700
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-09 10:58 -0500
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-10 10:01 +1000
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-10 04:13 -0700
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-10 06:17 -0500
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-10 06:01 -0700
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-10 08:49 -0500
                Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-10 07:19 -0700
            Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-06-09 07:55 -0700
            Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 14:48 -0700
              Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-10 05:41 -0700
            Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-09 17:42 -0500
          Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-08 10:52 -0500
        Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 14:34 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2016-06-07 09:07 -0700
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature John Locke <johnnydemon666@demonmail.com> - 2016-06-07 11:30 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2016-06-08 12:38 +1000
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2016-06-08 06:25 -0500
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2016-06-07 20:41 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature JTEM <jtem01@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 14:47 -0700
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature bilgat@m.nu - 2016-06-09 18:08 -0500
    Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature Cloud Hobbit <youngblood2949@gmail.com> - 2016-06-09 18:23 -0700
  Re: abiogenesis not observed in nature WangoTango <Asgard24@mindspring.com> - 2016-06-16 18:53 -0400

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