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On 06/06/2016 12:28, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Attila <<prochoice@here.now> wrote in
> news:8276lbp0cevc1n5kjrkq4na9b4814uf3qs@4ax.com:
>
>> On Sat, 04 Jun 2016 12:38:24 -0500, Mitchell Holman
>> <noemail@comcast.net> in alt.atheism with message-id
>> <XnsA61D80C187F35noemailattnet@216.166.97.131> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     Americans will never stand for it.
>>>>
>>>> You might be surprised. We are close now with SS cards and driver's
>>>> licenses.  It is a necessity today.
>>>
>>>
>>>    You don't need to produce an SSI card to
>>> buy a roll of stamps or pay your water bill.
>>> Just try requiring it and see what happens.
>>
>> You need ID and/or your 'taxpayer ID"  (SSN) to open a bank account,
>> see a doctor, or apply for credit.  And usually to sign up for
>> utilities.
>
>
>      None of those require proof of citizenship.
> Americans would not put up with dollar coin or
> $2 bill, they are certainly not going to put up
> with proving their nationality wherever they go.
>
>
>
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not many would last long enough to be interested in either the
>>> post
>>>>>>>>>> office or the DMV.  Especially if sending money out of the
>>> country
>>>>> in
>>>>>>>>>> any way required such ID.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>   Corporations send billions of dollars out
>>>>>>>>> of the country every day. Why should people
>>>>>>>>> be barred from doing it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Corporations do it for business reasons.  This is a necessary
> part
>>> of
>>>>>>>> international trade and multi-national economic activity.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This is not true for individuals, and frequently the sender is
> here
>>>>>>>> illegally.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>    If someone wants to send money to their relatives
>>>>>>> in Ireland or Japan - or Mexico - that is their option,
>>>>>>> no?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As long as they are here legally and the amount should be limited
> to
>>>>>> insure they are not acting as agents for others.  Records of such
>>>>>> activity should be kept.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>    Records are already being kept of money transfers.
>>>>
>>>> These transfers are the reason many illegals are here and should be
>>>> stopped on that basis alone.
>>>
>>>
>>>    How do you stop people from sending money abroad?
>>
>> Prevent the services such as Western Union from doing so, and stop
>> banks from allowing individuals to open accounts in other countries or
>> making deposits to such accounts.
>>
>> It would be easy to track and block any electronic transfers by
>> individuals out of the country.
>
>
>      If it was so easy it would have been long
> before now. Fact is money has to cross borders
> by the billions every minute. Demanding that
> every sender prove their nationality is silly.

Can you imagine the effect on tourism it would have if visitors to the 
US -- by definition foreigners -- were barred from getting or sending 
money?


>>>>>     Americans don't want adjustment periods,
>>>>> they want clean hotel rooms and fresh vegetables
>>>>> and mowed lawns and fixed potholes, and so far
>>>>> only illegals are willing to do those jobs.
>>>>
>>>> When illegals are gone another solution will be found.  It always is.
>>>
>>>
>>>     What solution is that?
>>
>> Automation, and other labor sources.  Perhaps more legal immigration
>> if needed.
>
>
>       Is automation going to clean your hotel
> room and patch your roof and mow your yard?

I think he imagines that millions of Americans would line up for a 
chance to do crappy dead-end jobs at minimum wage.  Hey, going round 
cleaning toilets and changing bedsheets stained with shit (or worse) is 
a dream career, right?  And when you have finally managed to get that 
High school certificate, nothing fits your career plans better than 
spending long hard shifts cutting the guts out of chickens for less 
money an hour than Starbucks charges for a semi-decaf soy latte.


>>>>>
>>>>> Illegal immigrants benefit the U.S. economy
>>>>> Aug 2014
>>>>>
>>>>> According to the Pew Research Hispanic Trends
>>>>> Project, there were 8.4 million unauthorized
>>>>> immigrants employed in the U.S.; representing
>>>>> 5.2 percent of the U.S. labor force (an increase
>>>> >from 3.8 percent in 2000). Their importance was
>>>>> highlighted in a report by Texas Comptroller
>>>>> Susan Combs that stated, “Without the undocumented
>>>>> population, Texas’ work force would decrease by
>>>>> 6.3 percent” and Texas’ gross state product would
>>>>> decrease by 2.1 percent.  Furthermore, certain
>>>>> segments of the U.S. economy, like agriculture,
>>>>> are entirely dependent upon illegal immigrants.
>>>>>
>>>>> http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/foreign-policy/203984-illegal-
>>>>> immigrants-benefit-the-us-economy
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>  "entirely dependent on illegal immigrants", indeed.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Again I totally disagree.  We should not be dependent in any way upon
>>>> illegal activity.
>>>
>>>
>>>     Then we should do it the Reagan way and
>>> legalize them.
>>
>> I opposed that, knew it would not work (it didn't) and oppose it now.
>
>
>      Show us the downside to Reagan legalizing
> millions of immigrants. Did the stock market
> crash, did jobs disappear, did Americans go
> hungry?
>

The federal minimum wage is $7.25.
Assume a worker at that hourly rate working 40 hours a week without 
taking any time off.
He will earn $15,080 gross, before payroll taxes.

The official poverty threshold for a single-person household is $11,770 p.a.

So that's a good job, right?

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