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Re: How to be a "real" scientist.

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Am 31.05.2016 16:56, schrieb Tom Roberts:
> On 5/28/16 5/28/16 - 1:26 AM, Thomas Heger wrote:
>> It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other
>> science).
>> But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such locked-in
>> communities critique will not be heard, since the insiders have no
>> interest in
>> listening to challenging statements from outside.
>
> That is not at all how science works. Physics is not a "locked in
> community" as you imagine, except insofar as physicists share a common
> understanding of basic concepts in the field.
>
> CRITICISM is acceptable, but IGNORANCE is not. And the latter is all you
> have.


Well, actually not true. For example there exist 'forbidden subjects', 
which eventually could bring people in trouble.

E.g. I have heard recently, that it is not allowed (in the USA) to 
question the existence of atomic bombs.

I certainly don't plan to do that, but it is interesting, that such a 
law exists.

 From my own experience in connection with 'growing Earth' I would say, 
it's not really prohibited to promote GE, but you will not make a lot of 
friends by doing so.

But the strange part: GE is of course true (in my opinion), while plate 
tectonic is kind of carefully crafted blunder, to be force-fed into the 
general public by means of brainwashing and propaganda.

Similar is 'climate change' and it's roots in CO2.

This topic is totally twisted and we have real effects, but wrong causes 
and no effects at all.

In reality the effect of desertification is caused by Growing Earth, 
(besides water use, pollution and deforestation of course).

But what has no effect whatsoever is CO2.

> All technical fields have a minimum of knowledge required to discuss it.
> Physics is no different. YOU have not made the effort to learn the
> basics, and you demonstrate your profound ignorance with everything you
> write -- INCLUDING THIS (i.e. you are ignorant not only of basic
> physics, but also are ignorant of how physicists actually behave).

This is a) an insult and b) not quite justified.


> Seriously, would you expect the captain of a cruise ship to
> listen to "criticism" of his seamanship from passengers who
> have never operated a boat or ship in their lives?


Well captain of a ship is a difficult job, which you could only get 
after a long apprenticeship and several steps in your career.

Finally you are the boss of that large steamer and have to sail the 
vessel safely to your destination.

But you could eventually listen to critique, like from other members of 
the crew, and this wouldn't harm your reputation.

> Would you expect a high-school calculus teacher to listen
> to "criticism" from a 3rd grader who does not even know
> the multiplication tables?

I hope you don't try to compare me to  a 3rd grader.

> Why do you expect physicists to listen to "criticism" from
> idiots and fools like yourself?

Yet another insult for no obvious reasons.

At first you had to read the text of 'benj' to whom I had written a reply.

He wrote:

[quote]

"
Pretty much. It's sort like the medical rule: You aren't allowed to 
criticize us unless you are one of us! (And then of course we will have 
the leverage to make sure you don't!) "

[/quote]

About this statement was my reply with the 'locked in community'. This 
reply you have taken out of context and applied it to physics in 
general. That is kind of dishonest technique.

TH

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How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-26 15:00 -0400
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 12:18 -0700
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-26 17:15 -0700
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-26 21:47 -0500
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-27 07:11 +0200
    Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-27 02:28 -0400
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                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-31 23:54 +0200
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                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 15:58 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:40 -0700
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                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:20 -0700
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              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-30 12:08 -0700
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          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 08:34 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-29 22:49 +0200
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              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:42 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:56 -0700
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-31 09:56 -0500
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 11:53 -0400
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-31 15:27 -0500
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 22:32 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:29 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:23 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:41 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 19:48 +0200
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-01 21:01 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-01 16:38 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-01 16:58 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-03 06:13 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-02 23:38 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:12 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-04 06:23 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 14:05 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 10:49 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 11:52 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 21:32 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:28 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-06 00:11 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 08:04 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-06 17:17 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 10:37 +0200
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