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On 01/06/2016 19:45, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Wednesday, 1 June 2016 01:22:47 UTC+1, Alex W.  wrote:
>> On 31/05/2016 21:52, Robert Carnegie wrote:
>>> On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 03:15:08 UTC+1, Mitchell Holman  wrote:
>>>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in news:hlwdjsd2-
>>>> F26498.16062330052016@news.giganews.com:
>>>>
>>>>> What do you think of this article; does it have any relation to reality
>>>>> or is it fantasy?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "Brexit could break up Britain: Why the EU vote could mean the end of
>>>>> Britain as we know it"
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://www.salon.com/2016/05/29/brexit_could_break_up_britain_why_the_eu
>>>>> _vote_could_mean_the_end_of_britain_as_we_know_it/?source=newsletter>
>>>>>
>>>>> or
>>>>>
>>>>> <http://bit.ly/1TStQ56>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "The first thing the Scottish Nationalists will do is demand another
>>>>> independence vote. In fact they are already doing just that. The
>>>>> Scottish Nationalists narrowly lost an independence referendum in
>>>>> September 2014, and leader Nicola Sturgeon has made no secret of her
>>>>> desire for another referendum should Britain choose to leave the EU.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>     The referendum wasn't even close. Of the 32 counties
>>>> only 4 voted Yes for independence. According to my inlaws
>>>> in Scotland no one wanted to risk their British pensions
>>>> and their British health care to a promise of the SNP's
>>>> "we will replace it with something better" vagueness.
>>>
>>> It doesn't work by "counties", which we don't have
>>> in Scotland anyway.  You're thinking about Irish Home Rule
>>> perhaps.
>>>
>>> The votes counted according to
>>> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results>
>>> were about 44.70% For independence and 55.30% Against.
>>> As stated, this was in a context of the English government
>>> promising to be an extremely hostile neighbour, and standing
>>> squarely against Scotland ever being an independent member
>>> of the EU - which, as stated, several other EU countries
>>> with their own oppressed minorities also opposed.
>>
>> Not just other EU countries -- Barroso and Juncker also made it quite
>> clear that an independent Scotland would have to get its affairs in
>> order and apply formally for membership.  This process can take a long
>> time, especially with a new country that has a very wobbly financial
>> sector and no proven track record.
>
> The problem there is that the Scottish "financial
> sector" has mainly moved to London.  We may be
> better off without them.

Well, they certainly moved after RBS collapsed...


>
> But the EU is a union of nations, and its office
> holders are our servants, not the other way around.

I'm taking this in the spirit in which I hope it was written: as a most 
excellent example of cynical humour.


>
>>> Having said that, England is quite hostile to Scotland anyway
>>> and, as noted, is liable also to leave the EU itself -
>>> with Scotland.  And this wouldn't open the way for Scotland
>>> separately to join the EU because we'd still be opposed by
>>> Spain and Greece.
>>
>> I do not believe England is hostile to Scotland.  We are simply getting
>> rather tetchy about the constant shrill noises and the privileges
>> extorted by the threat of secession.  Is it English or Scottish
>> hostility that has English students in Scotland paying fees whereas
>> Scottish youngsters get free tuition?  When British tax money is spent
>> by tens of billions to rescue a Scottish bank and British tax payers
>> subsidise Scottish government largesse to the tune of more than £2,000
>> per Scottish head every year, are we not justified in getting just a bit
>> cheesed off at the permanent whining and posturing by the SNP?
>
> Scots are British tax payers.  We even pay the
> Menstruation Tax.  (Well, I personally don't.)

Scots are British taxpayers ... up to an extent, especially now that 
major taxation rights have been devolved to Holyrood.

And then there is the Barnett Formula...


>
> Also we still have what's left of the North Sea
> gas and oil reserves - but London has the profit.

Even if you add in the North Sea oil receipts as per SNP calculations, 
the net transfer still amounts to more than £2,000 per Scot.


>
>>> On the other hand, Spain and Greece have serious economic
>>> problems with their own EU membership.  So maybe they'd,
>>> I dunno, die.  Or else take a bribe.
>>
>> A bribe for the Spanish would be easy: Gibraltar.  The Rock is what they
>> have always wanted.
>
> The trouble is I'm not sure how to claim Gibraltar
> for Scotland in order to give it away.  But maybe
> we could somehow arrange that the keys are left
> under the doormat.

Scottish support for the Spanish reconquista of Gibraltar once inside 
the EU might be enough...


>
>>> However, the SNP strongly opposes British exit from the EU,
>>> and also is said to intend not to hold a second independence
>>> referendum unless and until they are confident of winning.
>>
>> That's what they said last time, too....
>
> In the 1970s they /did/ win.
>
>>> I do foresee an independent Britain quickly losing
>>> Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, and, if President Trump
>>> sends troops in, what's they've currently got of Ireland
>>> (Dublin isn't going to say no).  That's probably bad news
>>> for the SNP since the Protestant refugees probably would
>>> become Scottish, and Ulster does say no - notoriously so.
>>
>> I rather doubt that Dublin is not going to say "no".  They currently
>> have enough problems of their own without trying to integrate the Six
>> Counties.  Not to mention that they are definitely unkeen to call down
>> on their own heads another terrorist war -- a certainty, because the NI
>> Protestants are not going to take any such transfer of sovereignty lying
>> down.
>
> I'm presuming a thorough "ethnic cleansing".
> No more Northern Ireland Protestants.

How would that be accomplished?

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  Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-05-31 12:49 +1000
    Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-05-30 20:28 -0700
  Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 04:52 -0700
    Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-01 10:22 +1000
      Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:45 -0700
        Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-01 20:40 +1000
          Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 04:53 -0700
            Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-01 17:48 +0000
              Re: hey Brits! Hypatiab69 <opuzayo@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 10:58 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-01 22:54 +0000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 03:07 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-02 12:30 +0000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 06:37 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-02 16:53 +0000
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-03 10:42 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:09 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 00:02 -0400
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 16:06 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 02:17 -0400
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:19 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-06-04 11:02 -0400
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 15:06 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:29 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 20:55 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 18:38 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-03 10:45 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 04:02 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 11:00 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:43 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:33 +1000
            Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-02 11:08 +1000
              Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-02 12:33 +0000
  Re: hey Brits! Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-31 05:37 -0700
    Re: hey Brits! John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-05-31 16:10 +0100
      Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:33 -0700

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