Re: hey Brits!

From	"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism
Subject	Re: hey Brits!
Date	2016-06-01 10:22 +1000
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On 31/05/2016 21:52, Robert Carnegie wrote:
> On Tuesday, 31 May 2016 03:15:08 UTC+1, Mitchell Holman  wrote:
>> Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> wrote in news:hlwdjsd2-
>> F26498.16062330052016@news.giganews.com:
>>
>>> What do you think of this article; does it have any relation to reality
>>> or is it fantasy?
>>>
>>>
>>> "Brexit could break up Britain: Why the EU vote could mean the end of
>>> Britain as we know it"
>>>
>>>
>>> <http://www.salon.com/2016/05/29/brexit_could_break_up_britain_why_the_eu
>>> _vote_could_mean_the_end_of_britain_as_we_know_it/?source=newsletter>
>>>
>>> or
>>>
>>> <http://bit.ly/1TStQ56>
>>>
>>>
>>> "The first thing the Scottish Nationalists will do is demand another
>>> independence vote. In fact they are already doing just that. The
>>> Scottish Nationalists narrowly lost an independence referendum in
>>> September 2014, and leader Nicola Sturgeon has made no secret of her
>>> desire for another referendum should Britain choose to leave the EU.
>>
>>
>>     The referendum wasn't even close. Of the 32 counties
>> only 4 voted Yes for independence. According to my inlaws
>> in Scotland no one wanted to risk their British pensions
>> and their British health care to a promise of the SNP's
>> "we will replace it with something better" vagueness.
>
> It doesn't work by "counties", which we don't have
> in Scotland anyway.  You're thinking about Irish Home Rule
> perhaps.
>
> The votes counted according to
> <http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/events/scotland-decides/results>
> were about 44.70% For independence and 55.30% Against.
> As stated, this was in a context of the English government
> promising to be an extremely hostile neighbour, and standing
> squarely against Scotland ever being an independent member
> of the EU - which, as stated, several other EU countries
> with their own oppressed minorities also opposed.

Not just other EU countries -- Barroso and Juncker also made it quite 
clear that an independent Scotland would have to get its affairs in 
order and apply formally for membership.  This process can take a long 
time, especially with a new country that has a very wobbly financial 
sector and no proven track record.

>
> Having said that, England is quite hostile to Scotland anyway
> and, as noted, is liable also to leave the EU itself -
> with Scotland.  And this wouldn't open the way for Scotland
> separately to join the EU because we'd still be opposed by
> Spain and Greece.

I do not believe England is hostile to Scotland.  We are simply getting 
rather tetchy about the constant shrill noises and the privileges 
extorted by the threat of secession.  Is it English or Scottish 
hostility that has English students in Scotland paying fees whereas 
Scottish youngsters get free tuition?  When British tax money is spent 
by tens of billions to rescue a Scottish bank and British tax payers 
subsidise Scottish government largesse to the tune of more than £2,000 
per Scottish head every year, are we not justified in getting just a bit 
cheesed off at the permanent whining and posturing by the SNP?

>
> On the other hand, Spain and Greece have serious economic
> problems with their own EU membership.  So maybe they'd,
> I dunno, die.  Or else take a bribe.

A bribe for the Spanish would be easy: Gibraltar.  The Rock is what they 
have always wanted.

>
> However, the SNP strongly opposes British exit from the EU,
> and also is said to intend not to hold a second independence
> referendum unless and until they are confident of winning.

That's what they said last time, too....

>
> I do foresee an independent Britain quickly losing
> Gibraltar, the Falkland Islands, and, if President Trump
> sends troops in, what's they've currently got of Ireland
> (Dublin isn't going to say no).  That's probably bad news
> for the SNP since the Protestant refugees probably would
> become Scottish, and Ulster does say no - notoriously so.
>

I rather doubt that Dublin is not going to say "no".  They currently 
have enough problems of their own without trying to integrate the Six 
Counties.  Not to mention that they are definitely unkeen to call down 
on their own heads another terrorist war -- a certainty, because the NI 
Protestants are not going to take any such transfer of sovereignty lying 
down.

Thread

hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-05-30 16:06 -0700
  Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-05-31 12:49 +1000
    Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-05-30 20:28 -0700
  Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 04:52 -0700
    Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-01 10:22 +1000
      Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 02:45 -0700
        Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-01 20:40 +1000
          Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 04:53 -0700
            Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-01 17:48 +0000
              Re: hey Brits! Hypatiab69 <opuzayo@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 10:58 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-01 22:54 +0000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 03:07 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-02 12:30 +0000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-02 06:37 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-02 16:53 +0000
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-03 10:42 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-03 05:09 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 00:02 -0400
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 16:06 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Olrik <olrik666@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 02:17 -0400
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:19 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! Don Martin <drdonmartin@comcast.net> - 2016-06-04 11:02 -0400
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 15:06 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:29 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-06-04 20:55 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 18:38 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-03 10:45 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 04:02 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-04 11:00 +1000
                Re: hey Brits! Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 04:43 -0700
                Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-05 11:33 +1000
            Re: hey Brits! "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-06-02 11:08 +1000
              Re: hey Brits! Smiler <smiler@jo.king> - 2016-06-02 12:33 +0000
  Re: hey Brits! Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2016-05-31 05:37 -0700
    Re: hey Brits! John Ritson <j.ritson@hotmail.co.uk> - 2016-05-31 16:10 +0100
      Re: hey Brits! Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:33 -0700

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