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Re: How to be a "real" scientist.

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Am 29.05.2016 02:04, schrieb JanPB:
> On Saturday, May 28, 2016 at 1:03:31 PM UTC-7, The Starmaker wrote:
>> JanPB wrote:
>>>
>>> On Friday, May 27, 2016 at 11:26:41 PM UTC-7, Thomas Heger wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It is legal to criticise whatever you like in physics (or any other
>>>> science).
>>>>
>>>> But your critique will not get very far. Especially inside such
>>>> locked-in communities  critique will not be heard, since the insiders
>>>> have no interest in listening to challenging statements from outside.
>>>
>>> No. It doesn't work that way. The reality is that _in fact_ there are no "challenging statements"
>>> in physics (or mathematics) "from the outside" to speak of(*). Physics and mathematics have
>>> evolved to the point where a significant amount of time and honest work is required to even
>>> understand the subject fully, let alone contribute to it.
>>>
>>> So the people "inside" can tell right away that such "challenges" are worthless but the
>>> "challengers" cannot understand why. Instead, they claim some weird "conspiracies" and
>>> vent on the Internet.
>>>
>>> (*) except philosophical
>>>
>>> --
>>> Jan
>>
>> That is complete garbage!
>>
>>
>> Real physics comes from...'understanding' without the mathematics.
>
> Without understanding the mathematics you have no understanding of physics.
>
Mathematics in physics deals with numbers of observed systems in nature.

It is now possible (and to some degree observable), that the meaning of 
these numbers does not match the real function of what is meant by those 
numbers in the observed phenomenon.

For example: physicists often use 'eV' as units of mass of particles and 
justify this by the formula E=m*c².

But a) the formula itself is wrong and b) does not allow a unit of 
energy to measure mass. (At least they should say eV/c².)

Now the physicists add obscurity by saying 'c=1' and this would be 
'natural'.

The meaning of this number '1' is not a mathematical question, but one 
of the metaphysical interpretation of what is described in a 
mathematical way.

Since '1' has no units, it is obviously a ratio of some kind of similar 
measures, what cancels out units.  The meaning is something like :

light travels with one lightyear per year.

But that is - even if mathematically correct - a stupid statement, since 
the terms 'light, year and light-year' are interlocked, that this is 
obvious.

Mathematicians don't care for the underlying interpretation of their 
numbers, since that is a question, which physicists have to care for.

But if physicists refuse to interpret their numbers, the entire system 
of natural science will fail and instead deliver meaningless nonsense, 
which is nevertheless mathematical correct.


TH

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How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-26 15:00 -0400
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-26 12:18 -0700
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-26 17:15 -0700
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-26 21:47 -0500
  Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-27 07:11 +0200
    Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-27 02:28 -0400
      Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-28 08:26 +0200
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 06:26 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-28 13:03 -0700
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 17:04 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-29 04:48 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 22:25 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 06:01 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 12:06 -0400
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-31 23:54 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-06-03 11:14 -0500
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-05 16:12 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 11:02 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 20:13 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 15:58 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 16:40 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 18:07 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 21:24 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 20:22 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:25 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-01 11:20 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-01 20:38 +0200
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. John Heath <heathjohn2@gmail.com> - 2016-05-28 20:08 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-29 08:08 +0200
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-28 23:27 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-29 07:00 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-29 23:47 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-29 18:48 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-05-30 12:08 -0700
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-29 00:03 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 08:34 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-05-29 22:49 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:22 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:42 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. "David (Time Lord) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2016-05-29 19:56 -0700
        Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-31 09:56 -0500
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. benj <nobodyxx@gmail> - 2016-05-31 11:53 -0400
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-31 15:27 -0500
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 22:32 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-31 14:29 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:23 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-31 23:41 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-05-31 19:48 +0200
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-01 21:01 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-01 16:38 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2016-06-01 16:58 -0700
          Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-03 06:13 +0200
            Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-02 23:38 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-03 08:12 -0700
              Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2016-06-04 06:23 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-04 14:05 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 10:49 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 11:52 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 21:32 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:28 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-06 00:11 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-06 08:04 -0700
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-06 17:17 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-05 10:37 +0200
                Re: How to be a "real" scientist. JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-05 14:30 -0700

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