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Re: The True Aficionado?

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"Morten Reistad" <first@last.name.invalid> wrote in message 
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> In article <PM00052D2521DCF4E4@aca40c8f.ipt.aol.com>,
> jmfbahciv  <See.above@aol.com> wrote:
>>Rod Speed wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Every machine had its own "personality".
>>>
>>> They still do. BUT that has nothing to do with
>>> stuff like the machines used to make the machine.
>>> And so when we had humans who were JUST doing
>>> what machines did later, the wire wrapping, THOSE
>>> people contributed nothing to the personality.
>>
>>Of course they did.  Every wire-wrapped machine had it
>>quirks.  Fixing hardware bugs could cause more quirks.
>
> Yes, I have accounts on around 200 machines around the
> world. Most are just another collection of computing
> power, like the SIP and web farms we load balance calls
> to.
>
> But then we have machines like kirov. The original kirov
> was a sun/330 and got it's name because the colour was
> exactly like the USSR cruiser by the same name. Named
> by the guy who had the previous job of moving the markers
> on the screen in the NATO HQ showing where the USSR cruisers were
> at all times. (As far as they knew, anyway. Sometimes they
> just had circles for possible whereabouts that increased
> hour by hour).
>
> Kirov held our personal files, and all server-based employee
> stuff happened there. It was the machine with a rigorous
> backup scheme, and it NFS-exported a number of disks. Files
> left there was safe. Almost all other machines were provisioned
> by checking out configs etc from there. It was behind firewalls,
> but secure logins were allowed from the outside. And pings.
>
> When at a customer site we always did a "ping kirov" to
> see that we could reach home. The POE was an ISP, and we
> always were rearranging the network when we were out at
> customer sites. That ping also opened the firewall for a login
> for ~5 minutes.
>
> It had a distinct feel when logged on. It rearely had loads
> of below 6, but were always quite responsive, but "micro-
> sluggish" if that is a word.
>
> After it was assassinated[1] it rearose as "new kirov" as another sun,
> a 4/something. Not the correct colour, though.  I still have a kirov
> in my POE, the reflex of "ping kirov" over the morning coffee is still
> there. The original kirov even got official uniform insigia from the
> real kirov, bought by me from a russian sailor at the tall ships race,
> where he was a crew on Sedov. (Cedob in cyrillian)
>
> It has a different personality, though.
>
>>>> I have never figured out how to describe this other
>>>> than using human attributes.  Merging two machines
>>>> together created a different personality.
>>>
>>> Using a machine to do part of the manufacture of
>>> a machine like with wire wrapping does not create
>>> a different machine and doing it with robot humans
>>> doesn’t either.
>>
>>When I talked about merging two machines, I meant going
>>from a single-CPU system to a dual-CPU or triple-CPU
>>system.
>>
>>>
>>>> When they were split into two systems,
>>>> they reverted back to their old personality.
>>>
>>> Not when one of them is used for manufacture.
>>>
>>>> Each customer's machine was also different.
>>>
>>> That mangles the real story too, particularly
>>> when the customer has lots of the one machine.
>>
>>
>>Not really.  Each machine had its own user population.  Those
>>users did different things at different times.
>
> servers still have this "look and feel" thing to them if they
> have unique roles. But most servers today are just farms that
> provide standard services.
>
>>>> Some of that had to do with the kind of
>>>> care of the center and usage of the users.
>>>
>>>> When one was sent to work on site, one of the first
>>>> things a person did was learn about that personality.
>>>
>>> BULLSHIT. In spades with modern smartphones.
>>
>>I'm NOT talking about todays machines.  They have the
>>personalities of a slug after it's been run over by
>>a steam roller.
>
> Not all of them. Some still have unique roles and have
> distinct user populations.
>
>>> And that is all completely irrelevant to your original
>>> silly claim that the machine used in the manufacture
>>> of the machine is part of the personality of the
>>> machine that it is used in the manufacture of.
>>>
>>Boy, when you go off the deep end of misreading what I wrote,
>>you create a Grand Canyon.
>
> I understand what Barb wrote, perfectly.

But she never understood the point I was making that the
wire wrapping machine that was used to make a machine
has no effect whatever on the personality of the machine
that it is making. The personality comes from how the
machine it is making is used after it has been made.

> Wide multiprocessor machines have especially distinct feels.
> Like the ones with 8 or more cores, and 3 or more spindles.

Sure, but that has nothing to do with the point I was making
about wire wrapping machines and the personality of the
machine they are used to make.

> -- mrr
>
> [1] historical reference. The building did assassinate the
> machine by letting a steel pipe come loose and dissect it.
> 

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            Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-01 13:55 +0000
              Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:30 +1100
                Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-02 14:19 +0000
                Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 03:51 +1100
                Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
                Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-03 16:18 +0100
                Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:52 +1100
                Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-04 13:22 +0000
                Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-04 16:33 +0000
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                Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-05 01:04 +0000
                Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-05 13:57 +0000
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                Re: The True Aficionado? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-06 23:18 -0600
                Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-04 17:18 +0100
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                Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-06 14:08 +0000
                Re: The True Aficionado? "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 02:03 +1100
                Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-06 17:28 +0100
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