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| From | "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: The True Aficionado? |
| Date | 2016-02-24 04:40 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <dj3jt5Fk3r9U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <PM00052C342E7E049D@aca405fb.ipt.aol.com> <6d94aca2-d218-4e17-a24e-fc0219c6f4a5@googlegroups.com> <PM00052C491492A67D@aca432a0.ipt.aol.com> <c9c02d21-cd06-4ad8-ad41-83bd28addd6f@googlegroups.com> <PM00052C5C2FA4288E@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com> |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052C5C2FA4288E@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com... > mentificium@gmail.com wrote: >> On Sunday, February 21, 2016 at 7:47:17 AM UTC-8, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> mentificium@gmail.com wrote: >>> > On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 7:18:27 AM UTC-8, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> >> mentificium@gmail.com wrote: >>> >> > On Saturday, February 20, 2016 at 3:11:47 AM UTC-8, gareth wrote: >>> >> >> <mentificium@gmail.com> wrote in message >>> >> >> news:7b1b2b26-e594-433c-b2bf-963bd4324c24@googlegroups.com... >>> >> >> > On Thursday, February 18, 2016 at 5:33:57 AM UTC-8, gareth >>> >> >> > wrote: >>> >> >> >> The True Aficionad is interested in the computer itself as a >>> wonderful >>> >> >> >> machine and not in any uses to which it might be put. >>> >> >> > The True Afficionado is interested in the ultimate >>> >> >> > apotheosis of the computer which is AI. >>> >> >> >>> >> >> Encapsulating your own thinking into a machine is not AI, but >>> >> >> merely a repository of your own thoughts. >>> >> > >>> >> > Very true -- but creating a machine that can think its own thoughts >>> >> > is Strong AI and a branching of psychological evolution. >>> >> > >>> >> So your idea of an AI machine is one >>> >> whose processes are not reproducible? >>> > ^^^^^ >>> > If "whose" applies here (and it does :-) >>> > thank you for conceding that the AI machine >>> > is a "who" -- a person. >>> >>> You are the one with that premise. Now answer the question. >>> >>> /BAH >> >> The AI that I am creating in Perl at >> >> http://ai.neocities.org/perlmind.txt >> >> is a combination of my four previous AI Minds: >> >> http://www.nlg-wiki.org/systems/Mind.Forth in English; >> >> http://www.nlg-wiki.org/systems/Wotan in German; >> >> http://www.nlg-wiki.org/systems/Mind in English; >> >> http://www.nlg-wiki.org/systems/Dushka in Russian. >> >> The processes of the AI Mind are "reproducible" >> only up to a point. If no user input is entered >> into the AI Mind, its processes are deterministic >> and therefore reproducible. But user input is a >> jumble of randomness, and so an AI life is not >> reproducible any more than a human life is. > > So how do you debug a problem? How do you determine > that a fix really fixes the bug if you can't reproduce it? > >> >> Btw (by the way) I hope to provide an orignal >> "prior art" AI that leads to a kind of >> "pre-Cambrian explosion" of AI life-forms. >> >> By calling the Perl AI "Ghost", I hint at >> the idea of "The Ghost in the Machine" and >> at "The Soul of a New Machine" by T. Kidder. > > I can tell you that the soul of a machine is a conglomerate > of the developers and other workers who did the work > to produce the hard/software. That's not really true of those who do the donkey work like say wire wrapping the backplane with stuff of your generation. >> By one estimate, there are ca. 477,000 Perl >> programmers out there, many of them making >> good money coding in Perl: "the glue of the >> Internet." Here is my annotation of today: >> >> **** Sun.21.FEB.2016 >> >> 7:03 a.m. Logging in to NeoCities. "ai" has 19.5K views. >> Uploading ghost082.pl as "perlmind.txt" "stable for English and >> German" >> >> **** >> >> My Perl AI webpages receive about one hundred >> pageviews per day in recent weeks of 2016, >> but not so many on weekends as on weekdays. >> From the scarcity of visits on weekends, I >> am happy to conclude that well-paid Perl coders >> check into my Perl AI progress on weekdays >> when they are at work, not on weekends. >> >> Since the perlmind.txt webpage has no >> hit-counter on it, I like to think that >> most accesses are being made to the code, >> not to the various ".html" pages. >> >> I dream on further that in corporate >> boardrooms the tech VP is saying... >> ah, well, never mind. Bye BAH for now.
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The True Aficionado? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-02-18 13:33 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-19 20:42 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-02-20 11:11 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-20 05:06 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-20 15:18 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-20 15:11 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-21 15:48 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-21 13:43 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-23 13:13 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-23 06:06 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 04:40 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-23 09:50 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-24 13:40 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 03:14 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-01 13:55 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:30 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-02 14:19 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 03:51 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-03 16:18 +0100
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:52 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-04 13:22 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-04 16:33 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-04 15:47 -0600
Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-05 01:04 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-05 13:57 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-06 11:40 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-06 23:18 -0600
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-04 17:18 +0100
Re: The True Aficionado? Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2016-03-04 22:09 -0500
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-05 13:57 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2016-03-05 14:36 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-06 14:08 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 02:03 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-06 17:28 +0100
Re: The True Aficionado? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-06 11:54 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? "Sangmo" <ju410@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 07:39 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2016-03-06 17:24 -0700
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-05 18:43 +0100
Re: The True Aficionado? hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2016-03-06 11:34 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-07 16:24 -0600
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:45 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2016-03-03 16:01 -0600
Re: The True Aficionado? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-20 20:59 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-20 23:14 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-02-21 16:33 +0100
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 03:19 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-21 08:56 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2016-02-21 12:22 -0600
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:50 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-21 22:49 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 19:32 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2016-02-22 09:23 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-02-22 17:17 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "gareth" <no.spam@thank.you.invalid> - 2016-02-22 11:30 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-22 07:38 +1100
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