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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: The True Aficionado? |
| Date | 2016-03-04 03:45 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <djr81lFm4ebU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <PM00052C976DF0A4D2@aca2d6f2.ipt.aol.com> <djlnc5F93ihU2@mid.individual.net> <PM00052D115027C687@aca43c61.ipt.aol.com> <djok0sF1k31U2@mid.individual.net> <PM00052D2521DCF4E4@aca40c8f.ipt.aol.com> |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM00052D2521DCF4E4@aca40c8f.ipt.aol.com... > Rod Speed wrote: >> >> >> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >> news:PM00052D115027C687@aca43c61.ipt.aol.com... >>> Rod Speed wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>> news:PM00052C976DF0A4D2@aca2d6f2.ipt.aol.com... >>>>> hgww wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>> news:PM00052C8429A98276@aca2d65f.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>> hgww wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message >>>>>>>> news:PM00052C5C2FA4288E@aca40f57.ipt.aol.com... >>>>>>>>> mentificium@gmail.com wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>> <snip> >>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Btw (by the way) I hope to provide an orignal >>>>>>>>>> "prior art" AI that leads to a kind of >>>>>>>>>> "pre-Cambrian explosion" of AI life-forms. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> By calling the Perl AI "Ghost", I hint at >>>>>>>>>> the idea of "The Ghost in the Machine" and >>>>>>>>>> at "The Soul of a New Machine" by T. Kidder. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I can tell you that the soul of a machine is a conglomerate >>>>>>>>> of the developers and other workers who did the work >>>>>>>>> to produce the hard/software. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's not really true of those who do the donkey >>>>>>>> work like say wire wrapping the backplane with >>>>>>>> stuff of your generation. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's especially true in this case. >>>>>> >>>>>> Bullshit. Those are no different to the machines that replaced them >>>>>> later. >>>>>> >>>>> I don't think you would recognize a machine soul. >>>> >>>> There is no such animal and even if there was, >>>> those human robots are no part of it anyway. >>> >>> Every machine had its own "personality". >> >> They still do. BUT that has nothing to do with >> stuff like the machines used to make the machine. >> And so when we had humans who were JUST doing >> what machines did later, the wire wrapping, THOSE >> people contributed nothing to the personality. > > Of course they did. Every wire-wrapped machine had it > quirks. Fixing hardware bugs could cause more quirks. That is a completely separate question to whether that machine had any part in the personality of the machine it was doing the wire wrapping of. I can see where you have gone wrong now, you assumed I was talking about the personality of the wire wrapping machine. I wasn’t. I was making the point that the wire wrapping machine does not contribute to the personality of the machine it is making. >>> I have never figured out how to describe this other >>> than using human attributes. Merging two machines >>> together created a different personality. >> >> Using a machine to do part of the manufacture of >> a machine like with wire wrapping does not create >> a different machine and doing it with robot humans >> doesn’t either. > > When I talked about merging two machines, I meant going > from a single-CPU system to a dual-CPU or triple-CPU system. That isnt merging two machines, that is changing the design of one machine. >>> When they were split into two systems, >>> they reverted back to their old personality. >> >> Not when one of them is used for manufacture. >> >>> Each customer's machine was also different. >> >> That mangles the real story too, particularly >> when the customer has lots of the one machine. > Not really. Yes, really. > Each machine had its own user population. No they do no, most obviously with server farms. > Those users did different things at different times. Utterly mangled all over again with server farms. >>> Some of that had to do with the kind of >>> care of the center and usage of the users. >> >>> When one was sent to work on site, one of the first >>> things a person did was learn about that personality. >> >> BULLSHIT. In spades with modern smartphones. > > I'm NOT talking about todays machines. You claim has to be valid for all machines. > They have the personalities of a slug > after it's been run over by a steam roller. Even sillier than you usually manage with smartphones alone. They do in fact have much more personality because some of them are much more limited resource wise. >> And that is all completely irrelevant to your original >> silly claim that the machine used in the manufacture >> of the machine is part of the personality of the >> machine that it is used in the manufacture of. > Boy, when you go off the deep end of misreading what I wrote, You are the one that did that when you assumed I was talking about the personality of the wire wrapping machine. I wasn’t. > you create a Grand Canyon. More of your wild exaggeration, even sillier than the claim above about the personality of smartphones.
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Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-21 15:48 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-21 13:43 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-23 13:13 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? mentificium@gmail.com - 2016-02-23 06:06 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-24 04:40 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2016-02-23 09:50 -0800
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-02-24 13:40 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "hgww" <hgww@gmail.com> - 2016-02-25 03:14 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-01 13:55 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 01:30 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-02 14:19 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 03:51 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-03 13:39 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-03 16:18 +0100
Re: The True Aficionado? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 03:52 +1100
Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-04 13:22 +0000
Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-04 16:33 +0000
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Re: The True Aficionado? Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2016-03-05 01:04 +0000
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Re: The True Aficionado? "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2016-03-06 23:18 -0600
Re: The True Aficionado? Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2016-03-04 17:18 +0100
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Re: The True Aficionado? jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2016-03-06 14:08 +0000
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Re: The True Aficionado? Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2016-03-07 16:24 -0600
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