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Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery

From	"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	alt.politics.democrats, talk.politics.guns, alt.fan.rush-limbaugh, alt.atheism, sac.politics
Subject	Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery
Date	2016-03-01 10:27 +0000
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On 29/02/2016 04:26, Governor Swill wrote:
> On Sun, 28 Feb 2016 23:16:07 +0100, "Alex W." wrote:
>> On 28/02/2016 21:50, Governor Swill wrote:
>>> As for Gary's ill informed opinion, America was founded not by
>>> conservatives, but by radicals and liberals who left Europe to escape
>>> the conservatism of status quo European institutions such as divine
>>> monarchy, class immobility, and state religion.
>>
>> I'd have to ask you to justify that comment.  My reading of early
>> American history is that many colonist groups came to the New World
>> precisely in order to establish a "New Jerusalem", territories where
>> they could establish the unquestioned rule of their particular flavour
>> of religion.
>
> Conservatism does not imply religious any more than liberal implies
> atheism.

Not automatically, although there is considerable overlap.  Atheists 
tend to be more socially liberal than conservatives, for instance.

Also, my reading of early American history is that the main groups 
launching themselves on their great voyage tended to be religious groups 
such as the Pilgrim Fathers or Quakers, and "profiteers" gambling on the 
vast riches that could be had exploiting the land and its people.

>
>> Puritans did not come to America to enjoy plurality and
>> living cheek by jowl with Catholics, Anglicans or Quakers -- they came
>> to found communities that were ruled totally by the strictures and
>> doctrines of their faith.  To this end, they did expel fellow Christians
>> who followed a different path and even executed some for daring to
>> believe in a different way.
>
> lib·er·al  'lib(?)r?l/Submit adjective 1. open to new behavior or
> opinions and willing to discard traditional values.
>
> con·serv·a·tive k?n's?rv?div/ adjective 1. holding to traditional
> attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation,
> typically in relation to politics or religion.
>
> The European status quo was conformity to a state religion, allegiance
> to absolute, even divine monarchy, class immobility (knowing one's
> place) and so on.  These groups came here to escape those traditions.

FWIW: all monarchies derive their nominal claim to power and legitimacy 
from a divine mandate.  Absolutism was doubling down on that claim.

And again, I would dispute your interpretation: those early settlers 
came to escape countries with state religions, true, but not because 
they were more liberal and tolerant but because for them, the state 
religions enforced in Europe were too tolerant and lax.  The Pilgrim 
Fathers left England for Holland and then the Americas because the state 
church did not go nearly far enough in enforcing god's will.  IOW, those 
who emigrated were fleeing state religion because it was *they* who were 
too strict and intolerant for the state to stomach.

>
> The founders of this country were radicals following lines of liberal
> thought written by Enlightenment philosophers.  The very idea that a
> nation could be run entirely by officials selected in popular
> elections was radical.  The Founders themselves were unsure they could
> make it work.

Why do you conflate the early settlers with the Founding Fathers?  They 
were entirely different groups, with a century and more separating them.

And yes, they were very much uncertain that their grand experiment would 
work.  In the early years of the republic, things were decidedly shaky, 
and they would have been all too aware that their success in the 
revolution was quite lucky indeed.  If England had not been so 
preoccupied with European affairs and the war with France, if the 
attitude and policies towards the colonies had been a bit more 
conciliatory and generous, if the colonial authorities had been more 
successful in mobilising loyalist sentiment ... the revolution would 
have failed.

>
> The conservatives of the day?  The Loyalists who supported the King
> rather than the hotheaded rebels intent on destroying everything.

Relatively speaking.  IMO, they were more conservative than the rebels 
for their wish to stick to their oaths of loyalty and their allegiances 
but most of them did also want reforms to their relationship with the 
Old Country.  The true Conservatives, IMO, sat in England because we did 
not wish to contemplate let alone accept any change in the status quo.

>
>> I'd also note that if the American colonies were founded by "radicals
>> and liberals who left Europe to escape the conservatism of status quo
>> European institutions such as divine monarchy, class immobility, and
>> state religion", they took their own sweet time about acting on those
>> beliefs.  A century and more between escaping Europe and doing something
>> about the rule of Old Europe in the New World does not exactly speak for
>> a burning need....
>
> Merely coming here was acting on those beliefs.  Puritans in
> Massachusetts, Catholics in Maryland the Amish were Germans fleeing
> technology and religious "corruption", they all came here to escape
> traditions they found themselves frozen in and create new lives.

Odd.  I interpret it in exactly the opposite way: for me, they left 
Europe so they would not have to accept change and adapt their own lives 
and beliefs.  They came to *preserve* their traditions and beliefs.

>
> "They created and nurtured them. Like children, the American colonies
> grew and flourished under British supervision. Like many adolescents,
> the colonies rebelled against their parent country by declaring
> independence. But the American democratic experiment did not begin in
> 1776. The COLONIES had been practicing limited forms of
> self-government since the early 1600s."
> http://www.ushistory.org/gov/2a.asp

Which sounds good but is essentially meaningless.  Given travel times 
and communications at the time, ALL colonies had some form of 
self-government.  It was inevitable.  To rule a colony from home was 
utterly impossible when what you had were letters carried on fragile 
nutshells that took weeks to arrive (if at all).

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Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Shia" <shia@dont-email.me> - 2016-02-27 04:20 +0100
  Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-02-27 14:53 -0500
    Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-02-27 19:07 -0800
      Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery kookoo@maricaibo.com - 2016-02-27 21:39 -0700
        Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2016-02-28 03:52 -0800
        Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery sleeping cell walk <ob@ma.ma> - 2016-02-29 11:31 -0700
      Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast.net> - 2016-02-28 10:20 -0700
        Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 15:50 -0500
          Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-02-28 23:16 +0100
            Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-02-28 23:26 -0500
              Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-01 10:27 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-01 11:57 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-03-01 21:42 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:14 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-02 18:48 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Kent" <kentp@yahoop.com> - 2016-03-02 22:57 +0100
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 17:32 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-02 18:34 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 23:05 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-02 21:52 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 06:15 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 09:58 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:00 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-03 15:52 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:02 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 16:07 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:13 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-04 04:15 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 10:45 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:40 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 15:06 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 09:11 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 03:24 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 22:35 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 03:40 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 06:51 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 10:01 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:24 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 16:16 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:25 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-04 04:28 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery kookoo@maricaibo.com - 2016-03-03 14:50 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2016-03-03 16:44 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 15:10 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-03 10:22 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 10:04 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-03 19:20 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 14:27 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:32 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 10:46 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 16:00 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 16:18 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:33 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-04 04:32 -0500
                Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-04 11:38 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-04 16:41 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:39 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-05 17:41 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-05 21:11 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Chimp Watchers" <cw@sjsu.edu> - 2016-03-06 08:08 +0100
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 08:54 +0000
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 03:21 -0800
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-05 14:08 +0000
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-05 09:27 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 00:00 +0000
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2016-03-05 10:04 -0600
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-05 12:10 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2016-03-05 12:43 -0600
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-05 14:10 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2016-03-05 20:40 -0600
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-05 14:44 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 23:48 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 23:47 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 23:44 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-05 12:13 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2016-03-05 12:44 -0600
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-05 14:06 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Mitchell Holman <noemail@verizon.net> - 2016-03-05 21:24 -0600
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 15:43 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-06 16:06 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 19:58 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-07 04:01 -0800
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 23:36 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-08 11:59 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-07 12:47 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-07 18:10 +0000
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-07 14:30 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2016-03-07 12:22 -0800
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-08 02:20 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 08:44 +0000
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-08 03:50 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-08 11:00 +0000
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-08 13:01 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 23:58 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-08 08:50 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 14:39 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-08 19:16 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-09 00:00 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 08:45 -0700
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 01:01 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Jerry Holtzclaw" <holtzclawj@mediamatters.com> - 2016-03-09 11:50 +0100
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-09 16:48 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-10 01:03 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast.net> - 2016-03-09 08:43 -0700
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-09 16:51 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 14:38 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-07 17:25 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-08 02:19 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-08 14:42 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 23:37 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-08 12:09 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-07 12:50 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-05 14:45 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 23:49 -0500
                Re: Living in academia as Obama did was also another imaginary way of life where the "educated" go to hide from reality. "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-05 14:42 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:30 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-04 04:33 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 10:48 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-04 04:50 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-04 12:40 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-04 12:57 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-03 12:52 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-03 19:24 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 16:20 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 10:49 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-04 12:41 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 19:04 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 21:07 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery kookoo@maricaibo.com - 2016-03-04 22:42 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 00:29 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2016-03-05 05:32 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:15 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 15:12 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:41 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 10:52 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-04 04:49 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 21:10 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-04 20:38 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery kookoo@maricaibo.com - 2016-03-04 22:44 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 00:28 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-05 04:42 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 03:25 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-05 20:07 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-06 03:55 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 15:32 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 22:39 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-06 09:51 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 18:51 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-06 07:22 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-05 04:37 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-05 04:10 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-05 20:10 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 22:49 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 22:47 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-06 03:51 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 18:54 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:33 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery American Fast-Food <¡Jones@fubahor.com> - 2016-03-05 20:15 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-06 15:38 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 14:32 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:37 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-02 18:30 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 23:06 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 03:50 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 06:53 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-03-06 21:40 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 03:26 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-03-12 23:31 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 14:08 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery kookoo@maricaibo.com - 2016-03-13 12:22 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2016-03-13 11:25 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-13 20:50 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery (but only conservatives did) kookoo@maricaibo.com - 2016-03-13 21:41 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery (but only conservatives did) "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-14 00:21 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery (but only conservatives did) Klaus Schadenfreude <klausschadenfreude@null.net> - 2016-03-14 05:25 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-13 23:59 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery RD Sandman <rdsandman@comcast.net> - 2016-03-14 11:27 -0700
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-03-19 00:01 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-20 13:11 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-03-23 23:04 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-25 00:18 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-03-29 22:35 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-31 02:05 -0400
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Gronk <invalid@net.invalid> - 2016-04-02 00:34 -0600
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-02 12:13 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-02 10:28 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:21 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-02 18:36 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Beam Me Up Scotty <Their-leaders-prove-the-only-intelligent-life-down-here-is-at@blackhole.nebulax.com> - 2016-03-02 20:25 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-02 21:50 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-03 10:27 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-03-03 14:34 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 11:54 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-02 16:00 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-02 23:11 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-02 21:44 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 07:00 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Beam Me Up Scotty <There-are-no-Intelligent-Liberals@nebulax.com> - 2016-03-03 12:23 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Scout" <me4guns@vcenturylink.removeme.this2.nospam.net> - 2016-03-03 13:14 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-03 20:44 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2016-03-03 15:17 -0800
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-04 10:42 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-04 22:32 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-05 16:37 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2016-03-07 11:21 +0000
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Governor Swill <governor.swill@gmail.com> - 2016-03-07 17:51 -0500
                Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery "Cruzing to the White House, Trumping the Libs" <nuke_them_from_orbit@sulaco.com> - 2016-03-04 18:53 +0000
      Re: Democrats Gave America Slavery Attila <<prochoice@here.now> - 2016-02-28 14:13 -0500

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