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Re: parallel universe

From Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de>
Newsgroups rec.arts.sf.written, sci.physics, sci.physics.relativity, alt.astronomy
Subject Re: parallel universe
Date 2015-08-31 07:06 +0200
Message-ID <d4i5mhFtag8U1@mid.individual.net> (permalink)
References (2 earlier) <55E16581.51D4@ix.netcom.com> <charlie-gordon1492-5BCF3F.01133129082015@88-209-239-213.giganet.hu> <55E1DB1D.53B@ix.netcom.com> <55E1DE36.3A26@ix.netcom.com> <d4e84eF3jpU1@mid.individual.net>

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Am 29.08.2015 19:23, schrieb Thomas Heger:
> Am 29.08.2015 18:30, schrieb The Starmaker:
>
>>>>> So, when I see members
>>>>> of the 'scientific community' talking
>>>>> about parallel universe...they are talking about
>>>>> a subject invented by the
>>>>> science fiction community.
>>>>
>>>> It depends whether they are just speculating or if they think
>>>> actually think
>>>> there is evidence for anything outside this universe. Speculation is
>>>> the
>>>> precursor to hypothesis which begets theory.
>>>
>>> It is a speculation that first came from science fiction community,
>>> not the 'scientific community'.
>>>
>>> I understand it's unobservable, not tested...but doesn't even come
>>> from the 'scientific community' as a theory.
>>>
>>> Cause it is an invention of 'the science fiction community'.
>>>
>>> Parallel Universe is a science fiction theory, not a science
>>> non-fiction theory.
>>>
>>> It comes from science fiction. It is borne from science fiction.
>>>
>>> There is no Science theory like this:
>>> http://www.hulu.com/watch/440782
>>
>>
>> To put it simply...
>> Parallel Universe is a speculation that first came from 'the science
>> fiction community', not the 'scientific community'.
>
> I had an idea about an 'universe around the corner'.
>
> I assume, that time behaves like an axis and we (together with our
> universe) perform some kind of movement along this imaginary axis.
>
> This we can't see, since we regard this movement as time, while the
> remote events are separated in space.
>
> It we take the line towards such a remote event as new axis of time, we
> would see a different universe. And this is not parallel, but has an
> angle, since its axis of time is in our world the path of light.
>
> In that other universe we (on this planet) are invisible, since we
> belong to the past of an observer moving along such a path.
>
> This effect is actually, what relativity is dealing with. If you think
> about velocity as angle in spacetime, the velocity c is the angle of
> 45°. If you turn to this angle, you are actually moving with c in
> respect to some other object (say: planet Earth).
>
> This will make the Earth drop behind the event horizon, while another
> universe opens.
>
> But the object moving along such a tilted axis does not regard its own
> movement as movement in space. The object regards itself as at rest and
> centres the universe around itself.
>
> This is at least what we humans do with our universe. We see ourselves
> as at the centre and measure distance in respect to us.
>
> Most likely all other possible observers would do the same, but would
> see a different universe. And these universes are not parallel, since
> they have a different axis of time, standing in an angle to each other.
>
This idea (presented above) stems from my own concept I call 'structured 
spacetime'.

This was my attempt to connect GR and QM. My method was, that it could 
be possible to make matter 'relative'.

Than matter is depending on the FoR and what is matter in one FoR is 
radiation in another FoR.

The transit from one FoR to the other is a rotation of the axis of time. 
This is similar to a Lorentz transform, but actually a little tricky.

But I made quite nice drawings and you may look at them in my 'book':
https://docs.google.com/present/view?id=dd8jz2tx_3gfzvqgd6

Now I assume, that to any such axis belongs a 'time domain', where this 
time is a valid measure and all clocks run the same.

This is associated with a 'universe', but this is not THE universe, but 
it is actually the image of the universe as seen in this time domain.

The other domains have other images and would see another 'universe'.

And this is not parallel, but in an angle, since the transformation is a 
rotation of the axis of time.


TH

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parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-27 20:01 -0400
  Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-27 20:04 -0400
    Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-08-28 00:14 +0000
      Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-27 17:24 -0700
        Re: parallel universe nance@math.ohio-state.edu (Anthony Nance) - 2015-08-28 13:58 +0000
          Re: parallel universe Ahasuerus <ahasuerus@email.com> - 2015-08-28 11:02 -0700
            Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 05:01 -0700
  Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 01:53 +0000
    Re: parallel universe nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-08-28 04:11 +0000
      Re: parallel universe "A.G.McDowell" <andrew-mcdowell@o2.co.uk> - 2015-08-28 06:26 +0100
        Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 13:24 -0400
          Re: parallel universe "Michael R N Dolbear" <me@privacy.net> - 2015-08-28 20:33 +0100
          Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 14:58 -0700
            Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-28 18:11 -0400
              Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-08-28 23:29 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:08 -0400
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:12 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:29 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:35 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-31 09:27 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 08:05 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:52 -0400
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-09-02 13:31 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:35 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 21:47 -0700
              Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0600
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-29 13:10 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:37 +0100
                Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-11-23 19:40 -0500
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-23 18:32 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 04:40 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 11:12 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-11-24 12:08 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 13:07 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 11:21 -0800
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-11-24 11:58 -0800
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-11-29 10:09 -0500
                Re: parallel universe "John F. Eldredge" <john@jfeldredge.com> - 2015-12-02 02:51 +0000
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-12-02 01:12 -0800
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-02 06:44 -0800
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-12-03 01:03 -0600
                Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-12-03 06:19 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-24 14:30 -0800
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-11-24 18:02 -0500
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-11-25 21:34 -0600
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-25 08:29 +0800
                Re: parallel universe Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 16:49 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 19:44 -0600
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:43 +0800
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:14 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-24 17:59 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Chrysi Cat <chrysicat@gmail.com> - 2015-11-24 20:50 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-26 10:44 +0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-11-27 04:01 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-28 09:35 +0800
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-11-28 02:48 -0800
                Re: parallel universe Robert Bannister <robban@clubtelco.com> - 2015-11-29 12:06 +0800
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-11-24 17:44 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Brenda <brendawriter@yahoo.com> - 2015-11-24 22:45 -0500
                Re: parallel universe ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2015-11-25 04:07 +0000
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-11-24 21:35 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-12-02 06:18 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2015-11-24 22:21 -0800
              Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:48 -0400
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:32 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-29 14:06 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 22:58 +0100
                Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:02 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:17 -0700
          Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-08-28 21:27 -0400
          Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:26 -0700
            Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-10-15 01:27 -0500
      Re: parallel universe djheydt@kithrup.com (Dorothy J Heydt) - 2015-08-28 13:04 +0000
        Re: parallel universe petertrei@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 06:26 -0700
          Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:51 -0500
            Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 10:50 -0700
              Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 14:11 -0400
              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-29 21:35 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:48 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-31 15:50 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 18:18 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:01 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-09-02 14:29 -0600
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:32 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 15:54 -0600
                [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:50 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-03 11:53 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) nebusj-@-rpi-.edu (Joseph Nebus) - 2015-09-03 22:31 +0000
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 02:01 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-04 06:28 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 11:56 -0500
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 13:17 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 07:53 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:44 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 11:27 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-04 11:23 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question  (was: parallel universe) Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:10 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-04 13:13 -0600
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-09-04 15:15 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:46 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:24 -0400
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-05 11:28 -0500
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-09-05 10:03 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-06 23:17 -0500
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2015-09-08 09:38 -0700
                Re: [OT] Archie comics question David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-03 11:12 -0600
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 15:58 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:37 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:16 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "Raymond Daley" <raymond.daley@ntlworld.com> - 2015-09-04 11:17 +0100
                Re: parallel universe Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 05:43 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 12:04 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:23 -0700
              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:28 -0400
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:43 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Steve Coltrin <spcoltri@omcl.org> - 2015-09-04 11:22 -0600
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-04 23:25 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-09-05 07:58 -0700
                Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-04 13:56 -0700
                Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-04 16:24 -0500
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-05 06:36 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 10:28 -0600
  Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-28 01:03 -0700
    Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-28 06:45 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-28 10:11 -0700
        Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-28 13:19 -0400
          Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 04:42 -0700
            Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-29 09:23 -0600
              Re: parallel universe "J. Clarke" <j.clarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:46 -0400
                Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 14:16 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 17:13 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:05 -0400
            Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 11:57 -0400
              Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:39 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Lawrence Watt-Evans <lwe@sff.net> - 2015-08-29 15:52 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-29 16:06 -0600
            Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-08-29 19:44 +0100
              Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:16 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Jerry Brown <jerry@jwbrown.co.uk.invalid> - 2015-09-02 22:39 +0100
            Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-02 16:31 -0400
              Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-09-02 20:44 -0500
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-09-02 20:20 -0600
                Re: parallel universe "nuny@bid.nes" <Alien8752@gmail.com> - 2015-09-02 23:24 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-09-03 03:30 -0700
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 07:58 -0400
                Re: parallel universe wdstarr@panix.com (William December Starr) - 2015-09-03 08:11 -0400
        Re: parallel universe David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2015-08-28 22:50 -0500
        Re: parallel universe Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2015-08-28 22:14 -0600
        Re: parallel universe Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:15 -0700
    Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 00:55 -0700
      Re: parallel universe je suis charly <charlie-gordon1492@no.where> - 2015-08-29 01:13 -0700
        Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:17 -0700
          Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 09:30 -0700
            Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-29 19:23 +0200
              Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-29 13:54 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Thomas Heger <ttt_heg@web.de> - 2015-08-31 07:06 +0200
            Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-29 23:43 -0700
              Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 05:20 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Mike M <mike@xenocyte.com> - 2015-08-30 13:53 +0000
                Re: parallel universe David Johnston <David@block.net> - 2015-08-30 09:03 -0600
                Re: parallel universe The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2015-08-30 13:01 -0700
                Re: parallel universe Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2015-08-30 15:08 -0700
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 16:10 -0400
                Re: parallel universe "Brian M. Scott" <b.scott@csuohio.edu> - 2015-08-30 16:36 -0400
                Re: parallel universe William Vetter <mdhangton@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 18:59 -0400
                Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 20:51 -0700
      Re: parallel universe "tony" <tony@hotmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:18 -0400
    Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-08-30 03:33 +0000
      Re: parallel universe Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2015-08-31 03:54 -0700
  Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 01:42 -0700
    Re: parallel universe Butch Malahide <fred.galvin@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 02:08 -0700
      Re: parallel universe Don Kuenz <garbage@crcomp.net> - 2015-09-20 02:23 +0000

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