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| Date | 2018-03-18 07:30 -0700 |
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| Subject | Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? |
| From | kenseto <setoken@att.net> |
On Sunday, March 18, 2018 at 9:39:51 AM UTC-4, Simon Roberts wrote: > On Sunday, February 25, 2018 at 5:53:54 PM UTC-5, kenseto wrote: > > Is time everywhere in the universe the same? > > This question was asked in Quora in Facebook and my answer is as follows: > > > > The rate of passage of absolute time is the same everywhere. However, there is no clock time unit (including a clock second) that represent the same amount of absolute time in different frames. That’s why physicists invented the Lorentz Transformation—a clock second in observer A’s clock will represent a specific amount of absolute time, this amount of absolute time is transformed to a moving clock and the result is 1/gamma second on the moving clock. what this mean is that a clock second on observer A’s clock will represent a specific amount of absolute time and this amount of absolute time is represented by 1/gamma second on a moving clock. > > > > According to Einstein’s Special Relativity (SR) time is assumed to be relative. This assumption ruled out the existence of absolute time. However, this assumption is wrong. Why? Because it is based on yet another faulty assumption that a clock second is a universal interval of time (absolute time). It is not. The GPS designers knew that the SR assumption is wrong because the GPS at its location will accumulate clock seconds at a different rate than the ground clock—at a rate of 38us/day running faster than the ground clock. They correct this differences by redefining the GPS second to have 4.4647 more periods of Cs 133 radiation than the ground clock second. This makes the GPS in synch with the ground clock permanently in terms of absolute time. > > > > The above concept of absolute time is described in detail in Chapter 4 of my book in the following link: > > http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf > > I assume that there is a way to measure absolute time in all reference frames. A clock second at the rest frame of the clock is a measure of a SPECIFIC interval of absolute time. However a clock second does not represent the same amount of absolute time in different frames. That’s why the LT was invented to transform the value of the observer’s specific interval of absolute time (eg: the observer’s clock second) on a moving clock. And the result is: 1 second of absolute time on the observer’s clock = 1/gamma second of absolute time on a moving clock. What this mean is that there is no clock time unit (including a clock second) that represents the same amount of absolute time in different frames. The LT is designed to transform an interval of absolute time (eg: the observer’s clock second) on the observer’s clock to a moving clock. The above concept of absolute time give rise to a new theory of relativity called IRT. A paper on IRT is available in the following link: http://www.modelmechanics.org/2015irt.pdf Also I invite you to read my book in the following link: http://www.modelmechanics.org/2016ibook.pdf > > I assume that the best known way is the atomic clock that uses the measurement of the wavelength / frequency / periodicity or multiple yet identical and not necessarily in phase. (a laser may come in handy to get all emissions in phase or two halved silvered mirrors or something). > > Although out of phase all identical emissions by a vast multiple of identical atoms may just WORK to yield coherent light in time and space. Just may at a certain limit of the number of atoms involved. I predict some sot of trade-off in the number of atoms used. > > Say for example, I'm assuming again, the transition of an electron of a super cooled Hydrogen atoms all (hopefully) from the second orbital to the valence (first or inner) orbital. Perhaps with the necessity of specifying whether all Hydrogen atoms are of an identical atomic weight; identical atoms as best as possible in every way important, including temperature and location. > > How all the emissions of a large enough group of IDENTICAL ELEMENTS would add up to be useful in terms of periodicity / frequency / wavelength, I do not know. > > (before disagreeing in a certain relative way please consider the null effect of the Michelson-Morley Experiment) > > A pendulum of sorts. A very good one. If may never be exact. > > That being said there is still a continuum of simultaneous instances everywhere. If atomic clocks are not the ticker that is useful, accurate or sound then there should be at least one invariable constant across all the universe at each and every 3 dimensional coordinate that can be_used as a measure of time and whether any coordinate can be specified is beside the point. > > Simon C. Roberts
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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-03-17 19:22 +0100
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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-17 12:05 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-17 19:11 +0000
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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-18 12:44 +0000
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Térov Balónky <iytn@yeicenlw.ik> - 2018-03-17 17:11 +0000
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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-13 06:14 -0700
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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-14 08:53 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-03-14 18:01 +0000
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Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-18 07:30 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 08:15 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 08:20 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-03-18 21:16 +0100
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 08:51 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-03-18 13:34 -0500
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Simon Roberts <retenshun@gmail.com> - 2018-03-18 11:58 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-19 07:20 -0700
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? Keith Stein <keithstein111@gmail.com> - 2018-03-19 14:44 +0000
Re: Is time everywhere in the universe the same? kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-03-19 08:50 -0700
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