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Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS

From	"Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk>
Newsgroups	alt.atheism
Subject	Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS
Date	2015-08-06 18:52 +0200
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On 06/08/2015 16:01, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
> On Thursday, 6 August 2015 13:06:58 UTC+1, Alex W.  wrote:
>> On 06/08/2015 12:59, Malcolm McMahon wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, 5 August 2015 18:49:42 UTC+1, Kurt Kurt  wrote:
>>>> What saner versions of Islam is that?
>>>>
>>>
>>> There are as many versions of Islam as there are Muslims, even more so that with Christianity because there's no official authority for Islam. No Magesterium.
>>>
>>
>> Plus a long-standing tradition of personal religious authority:
>> individual mullahs interpreting the Q'ran and Haddith, and accumulating
>> adherents depending on how persuasive they are.
>>
>> Also an equally long tradition which separates Muslims by country even
>> when they are of the same denomination.  Turkish sunnis worship
>> differently and have different practices from Iraqi sunnis or American
>> sunnis.
>
> Exactly. Which it's also why when people say that ISIS are "not true Muslims" they show how little they are aware of this diversity. There is no "true Islam".
>
> "True Islam" just means the version the speaker believes in.
>

The amusing part is that in the West, people will generally be aware of 
such divisions within Christianity (and to some extent in Judaism -- 
Hasidim are pretty hard to overlook) and will make accommodation for 
such complexity, at least in principle.  But the same people will 
happily treat Islam as some monolithic uniform faith, the same from 
Turkey to Indonesia to the US.  They will laugh at the suggestion that 
Baptists are the same as Episcopalians but when it is pointed out that 
Wahhabis are massively distinct from Sufis they shrug.

This peculiar blind spot even extends to our elected critters in 
government, which helps explain why we keep landing up to our next in 
every unholy mess bubbling up in the Middle East....

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CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS  duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 11:11 -0500
  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Davej <galt_57@hotmail.com> - 2015-08-02 09:15 -0700
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-02 12:21 -0500
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-02 16:34 -0500
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-02 18:16 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-03 16:56 -0500
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-03 16:24 -0700
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:33 -0500
  YOU CANNOT BE A REPUBLICAN AND A CHRISTIAN Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-02 11:11 -0700
    Re: YOU CANNOT BE A REPUBLICAN AND A CHRISTIAN bilgat@m.nu - 2015-08-02 16:09 -0500
  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2015-08-04 03:15 -0700
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-04 03:42 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Paul <papa_fox@cybertown.com> - 2015-08-04 08:54 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-05 13:28 +0200
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Kurt Kurt <passerby31416@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:49 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2015-08-06 03:59 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-06 14:06 +0200
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Malcolm McMahon <malcolm.mc74@googlemail.com> - 2015-08-06 07:01 -0700
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Christopher A. Lee <c.lee@fairpoint.net> - 2015-08-06 11:04 -0500
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-06 18:52 +0200
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Jeanne Douglas <hlwdjsd2@NOSPAMgmail.com> - 2015-08-06 17:59 -0700
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-07 10:37 +0200
  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS default <default@defaulter.net> - 2015-08-04 09:03 -0400
  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 07:03 -0700
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-05 18:56 +0200
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 10:40 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 20:57 -0700
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:36 -0500
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:00 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:19 -0500
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 15:27 -0700
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 08:52 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:10 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Alex W." <ingilt@yahoo.co.uk> - 2015-08-07 10:36 +0200
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:21 -0500
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS David Harmon <source@netcom.com> - 2015-08-10 17:02 -0700
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 13:31 -0500
  Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS The Chief Castrator Of The Jews <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> - 2015-08-05 10:21 -0700
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS WeHang FagZ <macabbeus@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 11:42 -0700
    Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-05 14:39 -0500
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Woza Africa <kolwezzi@astromail.com> - 2015-08-05 12:57 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:23 -0500
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS Wexford Eire <wexford.eire.1798@gmail.com> - 2015-08-05 21:03 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:25 -0500
      Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-06 11:05 -0700
        Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-07 17:26 -0500
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-07 15:29 -0700
          Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-07 16:17 -0700
            Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-08 13:46 -0500
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS "Syd M." <pauldavidwright@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-08 13:24 -0700
              Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-08 15:36 -0700
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-09 10:09 -0500
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-09 12:06 -0700
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-11 13:08 -0500
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-11 12:44 -0700
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> - 2015-08-15 12:15 -0500
                Re: CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS OR GOOD CANADIANS nature bats last <seqklogw@gmail.com> - 2015-08-15 15:34 -0700

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