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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy?

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nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> wrote
> Rod Speed <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> wrote

>>>> That's interesting how they work it
>>>> differently in Europe than in the USA.

>>>> In general, in the USA, to RECEIVE a phone call is usually free on
>>>> landlines, but on USA cellphones, it costs minutes to RECEIVE a
>>>> call just as it costs minutes to make a phone call.

>>> which is how it should be

>> Nope.

>>> because it's using airtime.

>> Any call uses airtime. What we are discussing is WHO pays for that 
>> airtime.

> which should *always* be the person who owns the device using it.

Nope, by the one who initiates the call, because the receiver
of the call has no control over the call being made and may
not even want to receive that call at all.

> very simple concept.

A mindlessly superficial claim in fact.

> under no circumstances should a caller subsidize
> someone else's decision to use or not use a mobile
> device or satellite phone or whatever else.

There isn't necessarily any subsidy involved at all.

It is significantly cheaper here to have just a mobile
phone service than a landline phone service and
that includes the cost of the calls made.

And when you need to have a mobile phone for
when you aren't at home it makes a lot of sense
to not bother to have the landline at all and save
even more in the total cost of all your calls.

>> It makes no sense at all for the receiver to pay
>> because they have no  control over who calls them.

> nonsense. of course they do.

What a stunning line in rational argument you have there.

> they can either turn off the phone

Pity about the calls they do want to receive.

> or not answer it if cost is an issue.

No always possible to know who is calling and
so when the call should be answered. And why
should I have to pay a cent when someone rings
me to ask me about  something anyway ?

> making the caller pay discriminates against mobile users

Even sillier than you usually manage.

> because a caller might choose to not call a given
> number if they know that they will get charged more,

And its perfectly reasonable to encourage people to
use the service that has the lowest marginal cost to use.

> which can put some businesses at a disadvantage
> because customers will have to pay more to call.

They are free to have a landline which diverts to their
mobile with the business paying the cost of the diversion.

> usa tried caller pays and it was a colossal failure,

How odd that it works fine in the rest of the world.

> and for very good reasons. it's a *dumb* idea.

How odd that it works fine in the rest of the world.

> the person who owns the phone
> should pay for any incurred costs.

The person who makes the call should
pay the cost of the call being made. 

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Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-23 08:26 +1000
  Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-07-24 11:22 +0800
    Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-25 20:45 -0400
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-26 14:06 +1000
      Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-07-26 18:30 +0000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-27 10:06 +1000
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? tlvp <mPiOsUcB.EtLlLvEp@att.net> - 2015-08-06 03:03 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Your Name <YourName@YourISP.com> - 2015-08-06 19:20 +1200
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-07 19:31 +0000
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> - 2015-08-07 19:22 +0000
        Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? Chris Blunt <mail@nospam.com> - 2015-07-27 13:51 +0800
          Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 05:42 -0400
            Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? nospam <nospam@nospam.invalid> - 2015-07-27 17:33 -0400
              Re: Who pays for a phone call to a US phone number, italy to italy? "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-07-28 08:32 +1000

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