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| Date | 2015-08-30 03:53 -0700 |
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| Subject | Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox |
| From | ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com |
On Sunday, August 30, 2015 at 5:36:05 AM UTC-5, Reginald Ehrett wrote: > ignorantravingcrackpot wrote: > > > then the observer sees the "top" of the wheel traveling, not at > > 1.00005 c, but at 0.99995001 c. > > Well, it depends on its radius. You still can't see the problem. Your > first number apparently is the demand, the later an appearance. Right? The first number is the number obtained assuming Galilean composition of velocities. The latter number is what would actually be MEASURED. "Appearance", i.e. what one "sees", can be something different. The standard formulas of special relativity deal with MEASUREMENT. What one "sees" gets us into phenomena like Terrell rotation, etc. Terrell rotation has to do with apparent distortions in the appearance of a high speed object traveling at a significant fraction of the speed of light. So we have: 1. What we may calculate assuming Galilean composition of velocities 2. What we may calculate assuming Einstein Velocity Addition 3. What we may MEASURE 4. What we may "see" In general, (3) corresponds with (2)
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The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-28 12:47 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-28 12:51 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 15:58 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 16:00 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 09:11 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 16:59 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:17 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:22 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:28 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:35 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:45 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:48 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:56 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-30 14:58 -0400
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:52 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 10:59 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 18:04 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 11:06 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 18:51 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 11:55 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 19:27 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:45 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-28 19:55 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-28 15:20 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 16:42 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-28 20:45 -0400
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-29 10:44 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 19:30 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:39 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox pnalsing@gmail.com - 2015-08-29 17:18 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 17:28 -0700
Pretender Stephane Baune continues to puff himself "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 17:40 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 09:53 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Sam Wormley <swormley1@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 15:43 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 16:30 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:15 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Lofty Goat <rlwatkins@gmail.com> - 2015-08-30 12:18 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 17:24 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-30 13:56 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 19:20 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-31 19:56 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-28 20:22 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:28 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:35 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:39 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:50 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox YBM <ybmess@nooos.fr.invalid> - 2015-09-02 00:42 -0300
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-09-01 20:59 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 21:56 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:37 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 22:59 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 23:15 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 21:38 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2015-08-28 21:45 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-28 21:59 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:11 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:08 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:08 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2015-08-29 11:23 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 11:50 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:17 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 12:21 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Photon Beam" <none@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:03 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 04:24 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 11:49 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 05:10 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 12:20 +0000
Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 07:35 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:34 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 08:43 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 08:59 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 09:03 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 09:08 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 12:35 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 16:54 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 19:56 +0000
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 13:07 -0700
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 20:12 +0000
Re: Pretender Stephane Baune resurfaces after thorough beating taken in the "Twins Paradox" thread "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 16:56 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-29 08:23 -0400
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 12:26 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-29 08:43 -0400
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 04:29 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 11:46 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-29 13:51 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 19:27 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:34 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Margarita Cibulkova <margac@terraspace.au> - 2015-08-29 10:38 +0000
The Wheels/Track Paradox fuller.david@hotmail.com - 2015-08-29 08:23 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 17:49 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 19:25 -0700
Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 19:31 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 20:39 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 20:52 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 21:13 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 21:22 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 22:06 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 23:34 -0700
Re: Pathological liar Stephane Baune inserts foot in mouth. Again. Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:07 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-29 22:02 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-29 22:17 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-29 23:37 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:13 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 03:29 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:36 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 03:53 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 11:30 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox kefischer <emoneyjoe@iglou.com> - 2015-08-30 08:31 -0400
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 07:06 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 15:33 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:39 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 03:41 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 06:29 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 07:18 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2015-08-30 13:47 -0500
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 06:26 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 13:34 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 15:35 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-30 07:11 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-30 07:30 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-31 02:30 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:20 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com - 2015-08-31 06:26 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:27 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Thomas Yee <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:34 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:39 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Thomas Yee <ignorantravingcrackpot@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:47 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:55 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 06:53 -0700
NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 06:58 -0700
Re: NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-31 18:27 +0000
Re: NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2015-08-31 12:12 -0700
Re: NPA Member , Crackpot Stephane Baune chimes in "Dono," <sa_ge@comcast.net> - 2015-08-31 12:36 -0700
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:04 +0000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2015-08-30 14:44 +1000
Re: The Wheels/Track Paradox Reginald Ehrett <chasi@competence.org> - 2015-08-30 10:21 +0000
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