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Re: Mercury's Precession Again

Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2016-04-28 11:27 -0700
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Subject Re: Mercury's Precession Again
From Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com>

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El jueves, 28 de abril de 2016, 8:03:14 (UTC-4), Paul B. Andersen  escribió:
> On 27.04.2016 23:56, HGW wrote:
> >
> > Bodkin, instead of mumbling inanities, why don't you tell use exactly
> > why Mercury precesses at all?
> >
> > Many people tried to calculate it and came up with a variety of figures
> > and reasons for its existence. They all failed because there is NO
> > particular answer. The movement is chaotic.
> 
> You are obviously talking of the Newtonian calculations
> of the perihelion precession of Mercury due to the pull
> of the other planets.
> 
> Here are a few (of very many) calculations of the Newtonian prediction
> for the perihelion precession due to the pull of the planets.
> 
> https://paulba.no/paper/Pollock.pdf
> In 1859 Le Verrier predicted 527 arc sec per century.
> 
> https://paulba.no/paper/Clemence.pdf
> In 1959 Clemens predicted 531.53 arc sec per century.
> 
> https://paulba.no/paper/Price_Rush.pdf
> In 1974 Price and Rush predicted 531.9 arc sec per century.
> 
> http://farside.ph.utexas.edu/teaching/336k/Newtonhtml/node115.html
> A modern calculation predicts 532 arc sec per century
> 
> The (very small) difference between the calculations are
> mostly caused by differences in data like planetary masses, etc.
> (Le Verrier's data for the planetary masses were a bit off)
> 
> I challenge you to give one example of a calculation
> that divert significantly from the calculations above.
> Who "failed because there is NO particular answer"?
> 
> Since the observed value is ~575 arcsec/century
> the Newtonian prediction is less than 8%,(43"/century) too small,
> a discrepancy which is exactly explained by relativistic effects.
>
Hello Paul.
 
Some time ago (not too much) , I gave you access to a 2012 paper where exactly
the same discrepancy that you mention is explained, but in this case using only 
1905 Einstein's Relativity (what I denote as 1905R, including only the 2 papers 
of that year; without taking into account its future development, including GR).

There is something in the Mercury's precession history that I do not finish to
understand well.
 
The 575=532+43 shows that the 98% of Solar system mass (Sun) provokes a 43 effect on Mercury, and the rest 2% a 532 one. That does not seem to me completely logic (even forgetting that GR is not a linear theory). Computing the 43 ignoring the presence of what provokes 532? Besides, if Newtonian mechanics (NM) is not able to explain the 575, why can we trust in it computing the 532?

Let us admit that GR is a better gravity theory than NM (I did it when
comparing my 1905R result with the GR one). What rest is then to determine if 
1905R alone considering the principal Solar System bodies is able to explain 
the complete 575 effect.

A preliminary result involving the Solar system and 1905R applied to it can be
found with the following link:

Is the relativistic Lorentz radical related in some way with gravity?
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/sci.physics.research/cjS9qmd_EYk

If interested, I can send you more material about 1905R applied to the Solar
system, supported by the more accurate Solar system ephemerides data available 
in the site

JPL Horizons Web interface. http://ssd.jpl.nasa.gov/horizons.cgi

covering an interval of 60 centuries.

RVHG (Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato)

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Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-28 02:22 +1000
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Cully When <cullywhen@invalid.net> - 2016-04-27 16:46 +0000
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-04-27 17:15 +0000
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 10:34 -0700
      Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:43 -0500
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 12:17 -0500
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <hw@...> - 2016-04-28 07:56 +1000
      Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 20:26 -0700
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-28 19:39 +1000
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            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 22:34 -0700
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      Re: Mercury's Precession Again "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-28 14:03 +0200
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-04-28 10:20 -0700
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                Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-14 06:38 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 09:45 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-14 19:13 +0200
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 12:01 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-14 21:34 +0200
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-14 08:38 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 09:49 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-15 10:20 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 11:36 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-15 13:17 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-15 16:16 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-15 17:32 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 04:39 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-16 10:55 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 21:10 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-17 10:34 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-18 03:45 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-18 14:31 +0000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-18 10:48 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 04:33 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-19 11:11 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 12:54 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-19 14:44 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 15:20 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-19 16:58 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 18:05 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-19 18:28 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-19 20:57 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-20 11:32 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-14 14:48 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-14 23:29 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-15 10:35 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-15 11:29 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-15 23:25 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-16 00:15 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-16 00:59 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-14 05:34 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-13 15:59 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again tomyee3@gmail.com - 2016-06-13 21:53 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-11 09:57 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-11 15:03 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-12 10:06 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again "Ross A. Finlayson" <ross.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2016-06-10 20:37 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 11:25 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-08 20:39 +0200
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 13:19 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2016-06-08 22:25 +0200
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 16:25 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 20:23 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-06-08 23:38 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-06-09 17:47 +0000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-06-10 18:40 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-06-02 10:24 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-06-01 06:38 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-31 21:35 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-06-01 00:57 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-17 08:46 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-17 17:48 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-04-29 17:52 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <hw@...> - 2016-05-01 08:14 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-04-30 16:00 -0700
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 11:27 -0700
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-04-28 12:19 -0700
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 14:44 -0700
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-04-29 09:11 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 12:11 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-04-29 17:14 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 03:55 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-03 13:35 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 15:43 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-05 17:38 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-05-06 04:06 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 10:16 -0700
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-28 16:06 -0500
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 00:14 -0700
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 10:19 -0700
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-02 10:28 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-02 09:36 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 14:20 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-05 13:27 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Rafael Valls Hidalgo-Gato <rvalls162@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 16:45 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-05 17:50 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-05-05 22:05 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-07 09:31 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-08 06:41 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-07 14:03 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-05-09 03:42 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-08 12:17 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 12:23 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-05-09 19:44 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-09 05:21 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-09 08:00 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Gary Harnagel <hitlong@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-07 15:42 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 08:05 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-09 15:02 +0000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-09 11:23 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-09 09:45 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <hw@...> - 2016-05-10 09:10 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-10 09:20 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again "HGWilson, DSc." <hgw@....> - 2016-05-11 07:00 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again paparios <paparios@gmail.com> - 2016-05-10 15:16 -0700
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 17:25 -0700
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 22:56 -0700
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-01 16:19 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-01 14:51 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 15:47 -0700
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:14 +1000
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-04-28 16:15 -0500
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 20:01 +1000
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 02:14 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-04 02:50 +1000
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 17:13 -0500
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 19:48 +1000
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 06:53 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-30 10:11 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-04-30 06:41 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-01 02:16 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 15:43 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2016-05-01 21:52 +0000
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-04-30 21:12 +0200
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <hw@...> - 2016-05-01 08:11 +1000
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2016-05-01 09:54 +0200
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-02 02:57 +1000
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 05:33 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-02 02:39 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2016-05-01 16:49 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-01 14:56 -0700
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-05-03 10:02 +1000
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 00:01 -0700
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 17:03 -0700
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Koobee Wublee <koobee.wublee@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 22:46 -0700
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-29 23:58 -0700
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2016-05-17 02:47 -0700
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-01 17:35 +0200
      Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-02 02:59 +1000
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:56 -0500
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <xxx@....> - 2016-05-03 10:08 +1000
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:19 -0500
              Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 07:26 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-04 03:20 +1000
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 13:09 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 21:33 +0200
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 14:56 -0500
                Re: Mercury's Precession Again Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 22:55 +0200
      Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-02 09:54 -0500
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 19:17 +0200
          Re: Mercury's Precession Again Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2016-05-03 13:08 -0500
            Re: Mercury's Precession Again Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2016-05-03 21:21 +0200
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-27 19:28 -0700
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-28 19:51 +1000
      Re: Mercury's Precession Again Prokaryotic Caspase Homolog <prokaryotic.caspase.homolog@gmail.com> - 2016-04-28 05:04 -0700
        Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-04-29 06:20 +1000
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again Jackpol11@hotmail.com - 2016-04-28 17:30 -0400
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-01 14:44 -0700
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again HGW <HGW@....> - 2016-05-03 07:05 +1000
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again John Gogo <jfgogo22@yahoo.com> - 2016-05-04 18:26 -0700
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 18:43 -0700
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-08 20:17 -0700
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-12 16:46 -0700
    Re: Mercury's Precession Again alsor@interia.pl - 2016-05-13 07:38 -0700
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-16 11:38 -0700
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-16 12:40 -0700
  Re: Mercury's Precession Again Carl Susumu <numbernumber1212@gmail.com> - 2016-05-18 11:01 -0700

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