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Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok

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On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, PeterWD wrote:
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> >On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 1:53:51 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
> >
> >> Trump finally speaks English that translators can grok (understand and process)
> >> 
> >> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/06/trump-translation-interpreters
> >> 
> >> When he announced his decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate change agreement last week, Donald Trump did something unexpected: he embraced sentence structure and basic grammar. You could almost hear his speechwriters exhale when they realised he was – for the most part – sticking to their script.
> >
> >As he did in the formal speeches in both the Middle East and Israel.
> >
> >Did the Grauniad really use Heinlein's hippie-era word "grok"?
> 
> No.
> 
> More extracts from the Guardian article quoting Chikako Tsuruta, who
> regularly interprets broadcasts by US networks such as CNN, ABC and CBS,
> who is also a professor of interpreting and translation studies at Tokyo
> University of Foreign Studies:
> 
>     Exchanging strategies for dealing with Trump-isms is a common topic
>     of discussion among English-to-Japanese interpreters. “Our job now
>     entails reading dictionaries of cultural expressions rather than
>     conventional ones,” said Tsuruta.   
>     ....
>     
>     But the biggest problem, she added, was the occasional absence of

occasional?

>     logic from Trump’s streams of consciousness. “I tell my students
>     that with simultaneous interpretation, the trick is to anticipate
>     the speaker’s intentions and tell a story, to be slightly ahead of
>     the game.
>     
>     “But when the logic is not clear or a sentence is just left hanging
>     in the air, then we have a problem. We try to grasp the context and
>     get at the core message, but in Trump’s case, it’s so incoherent.
>     You’re interpreting, and then suddenly the sentence stops making
>     sense, and we risk ending up sounding stupid.

The most inscrutable tic is "so." Everything is "so good" and "so amazing" and 
"so sad." In normal English, "so" needs a "that" after it.

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Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Dingbat <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-07 10:53 -0700
  Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:41 -0400
  Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-07 11:54 -0700
    Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-07 14:38 -0700
      Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Reinhold {Rey} Aman <aman@sonic.net> - 2017-06-07 15:09 -0700
      Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2017-06-07 23:11 +0100
        Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-07 19:42 -0700
          Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2017-06-07 20:48 -0700
            Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-08 04:45 -0700
              Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2017-06-08 13:50 -0700
          Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2017-06-08 17:05 -0400
            Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-08 14:15 -0700
              Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-08 19:33 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Reinhold {Rey} Aman <aman@sonic.net> - 2017-06-08 19:54 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 00:04 -0400
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-09 04:50 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2017-06-09 14:53 -0400
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2017-06-08 22:28 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2017-06-08 22:44 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-09 04:53 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Cheryl <cperkins@med.mun.ca> - 2017-06-09 09:36 -0230
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2017-06-09 23:46 +1000
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2017-06-09 15:26 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-09 19:35 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2017-06-10 22:31 +0100
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-10 15:24 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-10 22:29 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Dingbat <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-10 22:41 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-11 05:30 -0700
              Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2017-06-09 06:57 +0100
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2017-06-09 11:27 +0100
    Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 23:39 -0700

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