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Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok

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On 08/06/2017 22:28, Tony Cooper wrote:
> On Thu, 8 Jun 2017 14:15:12 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
> 
>> On Thursday, June 8, 2017 at 5:05:06 PM UTC-4, Quinn C wrote:
>>> * Peter T. Daniels:
>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 6:11:59 PM UTC-4, PeterWD wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 14:38:17 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>>>> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 3:49:47 PM UTC-4, PeterWD wrote:
>>>>>>> On Wed, 7 Jun 2017 11:54:03 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>>>>>> <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Wednesday, June 7, 2017 at 1:53:51 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Trump finally speaks English that translators can grok (understand and process)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/06/trump-translation-interpreters
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> When he announced his decision to withdraw the United States from the Paris climate change agreement last week, Donald Trump did something unexpected: he embraced sentence structure and basic grammar. You could almost hear his speechwriters exhale when they realised he was – for the most part – sticking to their script.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> As he did in the formal speeches in both the Middle East and Israel.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Did the Grauniad really use Heinlein's hippie-era word "grok"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> No.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> More extracts from the Guardian article quoting Chikako Tsuruta, who
>>>>>>> regularly interprets broadcasts by US networks such as CNN, ABC and CBS,
>>>>>>> who is also a professor of interpreting and translation studies at Tokyo
>>>>>>> University of Foreign Studies:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      Exchanging strategies for dealing with Trump-isms is a common topic
>>>>>>>      of discussion among English-to-Japanese interpreters. “Our job now
>>>>>>>      entails reading dictionaries of cultural expressions rather than
>>>>>>>      conventional ones,” said Tsuruta.
>>>>>>>      ....
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>      But the biggest problem, she added, was the occasional absence of
>>>>>>
>>>>>> occasional?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>      logic from Trump’s streams of consciousness. “I tell my students
>>>>>>>      that with simultaneous interpretation, the trick is to anticipate
>>>>>>>      the speaker’s intentions and tell a story, to be slightly ahead of
>>>>>>>      the game.
>>>>>>>      
>>>>>>>      “But when the logic is not clear or a sentence is just left hanging
>>>>>>>      in the air, then we have a problem. We try to grasp the context and
>>>>>>>      get at the core message, but in Trump’s case, it’s so incoherent.
>>>>>>>      You’re interpreting, and then suddenly the sentence stops making
>>>>>>>      sense, and we risk ending up sounding stupid.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The most inscrutable tic is "so." Everything is "so good" and "so amazing" and
>>>>>> "so sad." In normal English, "so" needs a "that" after it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The adverb "so" can modify an adjective:
>>>>> https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/us/so
>>>>>
>>>>>      so 1
>>>>>      adverb
>>>>>      
>>>>>      1 as submodifier To such a great extent.
>>>>>          ‘the words tumbled out so fast that I could barely hear them’
>>>>>          ‘don't look so worried’
>>>>>          ‘I'm not so foolish as to say that’
>>>>
>>>> That sense requires the complement.
>>>
>>> Unless it's elided, as in the second example.
>>>
>>>>>      1.1 Extremely; very much (used for emphasis)
>>>>>          ‘she looked so pretty’
>>>>>          ‘I do love it so’
>>>>
>>>> That's not how Trump uses the complementless "so."
>>>
>>> Like  Ross I don't see the difference.
>>
>> I'm certainly not going to try to remember anything he says. They said he
>> wrote something incredibly stupid in the visitors' book at the Israel
>> Holocaust Memorial.
> 
> He wrote:  “It is a great honor to be here with my friends! So amazing
> and will never forget!”
> 
> I wouldn't say it is "incredibly stupid", but it certainly didn't
> measure up to Obama's note:
> 
> "I am grateful to Yad Vashem and all of those responsible for this
> remarkable institution.  At a time of great peril and promise, war and
> strife, we are blessed to have such a powerful reminder of man's
> potential for great evil, but also our capacity to rise up from
> tragedy and remake our world.
> 
> Let our children come here, and know this history, so that they can
> add their voices to proclaim 'never again.' And may we remember those
> who perished, not only as victims, but also as individuals who hoped
> and loved and dreamed like us, and who have become symbols of the
> human spirit."
> 
> Obama was still in the Senate at the time.
> 
> G.W. Bush wrote:  "God bless Israel".

Reminds me of what Justin Bieber wrote in the visitors' book at the Anne
Frank Museum.

-- 
Gordon Davie
Edinburgh, Scotland

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Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Dingbat <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-07 10:53 -0700
  Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 14:41 -0400
  Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-07 11:54 -0700
    Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-07 14:38 -0700
      Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Reinhold {Rey} Aman <aman@sonic.net> - 2017-06-07 15:09 -0700
      Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2017-06-07 23:11 +0100
        Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-07 19:42 -0700
          Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2017-06-07 20:48 -0700
            Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-08 04:45 -0700
              Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Ross <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> - 2017-06-08 13:50 -0700
          Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Quinn C <lispamateur@crommatograph.info> - 2017-06-08 17:05 -0400
            Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-08 14:15 -0700
              Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-08 19:33 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Reinhold {Rey} Aman <aman@sonic.net> - 2017-06-08 19:54 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Tony Cooper <tonycooper214@gmail.com> - 2017-06-09 00:04 -0400
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-09 04:50 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> - 2017-06-09 14:53 -0400
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok RH Draney <dadoctah@cox.net> - 2017-06-08 22:28 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok bill van <billvan@delete.shaw.ca> - 2017-06-08 22:44 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-09 04:53 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Cheryl <cperkins@med.mun.ca> - 2017-06-09 09:36 -0230
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> - 2017-06-09 23:46 +1000
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Richard Yates <richard@yatesguitar.com> - 2017-06-09 15:26 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-09 19:35 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> - 2017-06-10 22:31 +0100
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-10 15:24 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-10 22:29 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok Dingbat <ranjit_mathews@yahoo.com> - 2017-06-10 22:41 -0700
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> - 2017-06-11 05:30 -0700
              Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok GordonD <g.davie@btinternet.com> - 2017-06-09 06:57 +0100
                Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Peter Duncanson [BrE]" <mail@peterduncanson.net> - 2017-06-09 11:27 +0100
    Re: Trump finally speaks English translators can grok "Dr. HotSalt" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2017-06-07 23:39 -0700

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