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Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics

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Date 2018-04-12 15:13 -0700
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Subject Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics
From Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>

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El jueves, 12 de abril de 2018, 18:27:17 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 12:19:36 PM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
> > El jueves, 12 de abril de 2018, 13:50:55 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> > > On Thursday, April 12, 2018 at 11:30:22 AM UTC-5, rotchm wrote:
> > 
> > > > You dont measure speed wrt other speeds. You measure speeds wrt a RF/CS/observer [here, the observer is the rocket doing the measurements). 
> > > 
> > > You can measure speed with respect to the speed of light.  That's what 0.9 c means, 9/10ths of the speed of light. 
> > > 
> > > You clearly do not know what you are talking about.   
> > > 
> > 
> > Please Edward, explain to us how you would measure that something is moving at
> > 0.9c?
> 
> Sure, but first you have to tell me how something got to be moving at 0.9c in the first place. 
> 
> For some object that doesn't leave the atmosphere, speeds are generally measured relative to the ground below.  For some object that leaves Earth and doesn't go very far, it's motion is generally considered to be moving relative to the Earth.  If it goes farther, it can be measured to be moving relative to the center of the sun.   To go at 0.9 c requires the use of a LOT of energy.  Correctly compute how much energy you need, and you will know you are at 0.9 c when you have consumed the needed energy.
> 


What you wrote above (and also below) shows that it is you who does not have a
clue about how you measure things (like time and speed) in real situations.

To measure a speed you need at least the following:

1) A set of calibrated rulers and clocks (and some helpers which measure those
things for you). You need the rulers to define the length of the path you will
make the object go through the measurement. The clocks(synchronized) are needed
to define the times when the object passes through the path.
2) The speed is DEFINED as the distance the object moved, divided by the time it
took to move that distance.

Of course, in order to get a useful result, a frame of reference is needed. Note
that a trully inertial frame of reference, in our universe, does not exist. 
However, for short distances (like the radar gun and the car), the fact that the
Earth is rotating does not affect the measurement, so you can assume the ground
(for short distances) behaves like an inertial frame.


> Or you can try measuring the Doppler effect on a variety of stars ahead of you.    
> 
> > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > If you want to measure how fast the second rocket is traveling 
> > > > > relative to you, the answer is 1.8c.    
> > > > 
> > > > That would be the galilean trans. Its is experimentally known that it is invalid. The second rocket would NOT measure the speed of the other to be 1.8c but much lower [what would be the answer?]. 
> > > 
> > > The answer is still 1.8 c.  That doesn't mean that anything is moving at 1.8 c, it means that Rocket A is moving at 0.9 c and Rocket B is moving at 0.9 c, and therefore BOTH would measure their speed toward each other as 1.8 c.  (Notice I avoided using the term "closing speed" because you have some SCREWBALL belief that "closing speed" cannot be measured by the moving bodies.)  
> > > 
> > 
> > Again, in your knowledge, how would Rocket A measure that Rocket B is
> > approaching at 1.8c?
> 
> Rocket A couldn't measure it.  But the question says someone KNOWS Rocket A's speed, and someone KNOWS Rocket B's speed, so that person can compute their "closing speed" by adding the two numbers together.  It's called "math."
> 

Again that is nonsense, How that someone KNOWS that speed?

You really don't know what you are talking about.


> > 
> > 
> > > 
> > > I'm saying that you are talking NONSENSE.  If I am driving, I am NOT in an inertial reference frame.  I have my foot on the gas to make the car move, and I have my hands on the wheel to make the car go in the right direction.  
> > > 
> > 
> > Here you are asserting that a car can not move at a constant speed on a straight
> > highway. Are you sure?
> 
> I asserted no such thing.  I asserted that it needs acceleration to move against the friction of the tires against the pavement, and it needs control to keep it going straight.  The point is that it is ACCELERATING and it is being CONTROLLED, so it is NOT AN INERTIAL SYSTEM.
>

Again nonsense. I have my car moving at a constant speed using cruise control
and,  for sure, I will not feel any acceleration (no push or pull from the car).
If I perform some physics experiments inside that car, a dropped tennis ball
will follow the same path which that ball follows when dropped into the ground.
That means Newtonian laws continue to be valid inside that constant moving car.

> An "inertial system" is defined in the rest of what I wrote below.  The part in quotes comes from here: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/inertial-system  
> 
> > 
> > > An INERTIAL reference frame is one "in which a body remains at rest or moves with constant linear velocity unless acted upon by forces."  That is NOT what is happening inside a car where forces are making the car move and forces are controlling the direction of movement.
> > > 
> > 
> > And here you are contradicting whot you wrote above...since a car moving at a constant speed on a straight highway IS a valid inertial frame.
> 
> In theory.  In practice, it is doubtful.  The road would have to be absolutely flat and straight, and the car would have to move at a constant rate that cannot vary at all, which means its tires would have to be perfectly balanced, no one can move inside the car, no gust of wind can occur, no change in temperature can occur, the engine would have to work perfectly, there can be no effects from passing or being passed by other cars on the highway, and there are probably many other things that would have to happen perfectly.     
> 

Naaah....further nonsense. I have tried not only in cars but also in constant
moving airplanes and the tennis ball will follow the same Newtonian laws you
experience on the ground.


> > 
> > > So, the fact that the cup of coffee in my hand remains in my hand BECAUSE I AM USING FORCE TO HOLD IT THERE has nothing to do with relativity and inertial frames of reference.
> > > 
> > 
> > So you need to force the cup to be in your hand....are you sure?
> 
> The statement is that I need to apply force to HOLD it in my hand.  It I don't apply force, gravity will cause the cup to fall the floor.  Are you unfamiliar with gravity?
> 

You are now changing the subject. The "force" needed to hold the cup is the same
force you need when you are on the ground. Have you not tried this coffee
drinking in your car?

> > 
> > > As I stated before, you simply do not know what you are talking about.  But I responded this time to SHOW that you do not know what you are talking about.
> > > 
> > > Ed
> > 
> > It is quite possible that it is you who does not know what are you talking
> > about...
> 
> I know what I'm talking about.  The problem is how to communicate with people who seem to know only math formulas and memorized phrases.  If you are asked a question, you respond with math formula #47 and speech #47.  The next question is answered with math formula #172 and speech #172.
> 

There is nothing mathematical in any of my questions. The obvious conclusion is
that you do not have a clue about basic physics.

> In order to know what you are talking about, you have to know how all those things fit together.  What is the SCIENCE behind them?  You seem totally incapable of explaining HOW a police radar gun measures the speed of a car.  You only know the formulas.  You seem totally incapable of explaining what actually happens to allow the cop to measure the speed of the oncoming car.  When I explain it to you, you disagree and start spouting crap about frames of references.
> 
> Please explain in ordinary English how a police radar gun measures the speed of an oncoming car.
> 
> Ed

You have been adviced on this subject. The radar gun emits radio pulses by 
sending ON/OFF pulses, at a certain rate (pulses per second), of its carrier
frequency). Those pulses reach the car at different distances (since the car is
moving towards the radar gun) and so the returning pulses arrive to the gun
at a higher rate (pulses per second). That is what is called Doppler effect.
From those measurements you can find the speed v of the incoming car.

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    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-07 17:06 -0700
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        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 00:58 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 01:15 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 02:03 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:23 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-09 23:37 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:05 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-08 11:02 +1000
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-07 22:46 -0400
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:31 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:37 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-07 22:27 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:28 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:33 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-09 12:13 +1000
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:37 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:41 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-09 12:59 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Gaston Levell <jno@itwjwg.tn> - 2018-04-09 20:05 +0000
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:20 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Sylvia Else <sylvia@not.at.this.address> - 2018-04-10 12:29 +1000
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics benj <benj@nobody.net> - 2018-04-09 17:39 -0400
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:59 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-09 17:07 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-08 03:55 +0000
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 09:35 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 09:40 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-08 16:33 -0500
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 14:43 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 14:48 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-08 15:11 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-08 15:23 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-08 19:00 -0700
      Diffraction grating and annual Doppler effect (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-15 13:24 -0500
        Re: Diffraction grating and annual Doppler effect (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 16:53 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 07:43 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 08:03 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 12:21 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:15 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 15:14 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 23:18 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 01:37 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 02:11 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 05:47 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:50 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 08:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:23 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 13:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:51 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-11 17:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 11:04 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 06:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 13:39 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 11:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 01:55 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 04:47 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:07 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 05:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 06:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 14:43 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 22:17 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:02 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 22:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:58 +0000
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:57 +0000
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 10:08 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-12 15:08 +0000
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 08:22 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 17:08 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:22 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:27 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:31 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 18:36 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:34 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:37 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-09 16:59 +0200
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:31 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:37 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:28 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:38 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:26 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:40 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:36 +0000
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:24 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 07:28 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-11 16:33 +0200
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 10:50 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 08:48 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:55 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:58 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 09:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 09:43 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:52 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 10:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 17:08 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 10:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:37 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 12:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 22:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:28 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:30 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:40 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:46 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 14:07 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 12:39 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 18:56 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 08:57 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 09:50 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-12 18:55 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 10:05 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 10:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 16:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 08:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 18:00 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:09 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:05 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-12 10:19 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 14:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-12 15:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-12 21:24 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 09:23 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 09:29 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 07:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-13 15:14 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:59 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 14:11 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:08 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-13 19:11 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-13 08:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 12:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 14:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 16:54 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 17:19 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 08:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 15:51 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-14 10:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 12:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-14 15:37 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 10:33 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 11:24 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-15 11:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 11:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 12:59 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 13:23 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:39 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:39 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 09:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 11:38 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 13:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 14:48 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-15 10:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 12:43 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 13:40 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 22:01 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-15 15:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 13:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-16 14:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 14:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 07:42 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 08:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:33 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 17:45 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 08:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 09:23 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 09:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 13:05 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 14:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-18 13:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-17 11:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-17 20:17 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:38 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 14:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 07:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 13:58 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 14:54 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 15:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:39 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:10 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 17:13 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:42 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 12:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 13:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:07 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-17 21:14 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-18 11:55 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-18 17:34 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-21 06:19 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-21 09:47 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-21 06:16 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 14:19 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:47 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:57 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-18 21:10 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 20:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 14:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 14:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 20:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 10:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 13:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:57 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 10:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:37 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 00:18 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 00:37 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:42 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-16 17:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-17 19:25 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 18:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 19:15 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 19:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 04:32 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-16 23:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 01:28 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-17 02:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:17 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:03 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 09:59 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:11 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 20:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-14 00:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 10:16 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 20:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 16:17 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 02:03 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 19:16 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-13 13:25 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-13 19:53 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-17 15:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-12 12:35 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 10:08 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-12 22:26 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 05:51 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-11 15:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 22:38 +0000
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-11 19:05 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 09:08 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:11 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-12 23:19 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 03:01 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 12:16 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 08:29 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 15:53 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-13 22:34 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:23 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-14 08:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 15:33 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:11 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 13:24 -0700
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