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Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics

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Date 2018-04-17 14:46 -0700
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Subject Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics
From Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl>

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El martes, 17 de abril de 2018, 17:05:41 (UTC-3), Ed Lake  escribió:
> On Tuesday, April 17, 2018 at 11:44:12 AM UTC-5, Paparios wrote:
 
> > So you then should be clear that:
> > 
> > a) The light fronts are moving precisely at a speed c, from their emission points.
> > b) The train is moving at a speed v, relative to the embankment.
> > c) From (a) and (b) observer M' is getting closer to point B and farther from point A, as it moves.
> > d) Consequently, M' will get first the light front from B and later the light front from A, hence for M' the strikes were not simultaneous.
> > e) The observer at the embankment has not moved from its position and hence for M the strikes were simultaneous.
> > 
> > Additionally, c+v is the closing speed between the light front from B and M', while c-v is the closing speed between the light front from A and M'. Neither of these speeds are real speeds (meaning the speed of either the light fronts or the train).
> 
> I agree with everything you wrote, but I would have phrased d and e slightly differently.  I would add "at that location" to the end of both sentences.  
> 
> It can be argued that the simultaneous strikes seen by the observer on the embankment were TRULY simultaneous, and what the observer on the train saw was just "an optical illusion."  This, of course, will enrage those who believe the #3 dumbest idea in physics: "All motion is reciprocal."  http://oldguynewissues.blogspot.com/2018/02/the-10-dumbest-ideas-in-physics.html
> 
> Ed

You may well say that, but it is not relevant and not the principle which
Einstein was trying to stablish with that gedanken. 

That principle is quite simple and implies that no observer location is a
preferred one. This implies that we really do not know if the lightning strikes
were or were not simultaneous (of course the gedanken was built like that, as an
example, but that contruction is not general at all). Several observers then
will, for sure, disagree about the simultaneity of some events, some saying, for
instance, that strike A was before strike B or viceversa, or other alternatives.
So there is no absolutes in physics, which may even compromize your favorite
cause and effect order.

You are trying to say that there are some universal truths that can't be changed
and that any variation in their interpretation is due to "an optical illusion".
This of course is your totally wrong interpretation of what Relativity is all
about.

For instance, in over 99% of our astronomical observations, we do not know
anything about when a certain event occurred. For sure we can detect a supernova
explosion but we do not know exactly when that explosion took place (as nobody
has been near enough to see the complete process from start to finish).

So we say that the 1987A supernova was detected on February 23 1987, but that
event happened around 168000 years ago. That is not a big problem and
researchers have been able to generate the astrophysics we think explains how
that process develops.

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        Re: Diffraction grating and annual Doppler effect (was: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics) dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 16:53 -0700
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      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 08:03 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 12:21 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 14:15 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 15:14 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 23:18 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 01:37 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 16:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 02:11 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-10 05:47 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 20:50 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 08:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-11 14:17 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:23 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 13:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 13:51 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-11 17:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 11:04 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 06:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 13:39 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-12 11:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 01:55 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 04:47 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 12:07 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 05:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 06:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 14:43 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 22:17 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:02 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 22:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:58 +0000
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:57 +0000
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 10:08 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-12 15:08 +0000
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-09 08:22 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 17:08 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:22 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:27 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:31 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-08 18:36 -0700
    Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-09 07:34 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 07:37 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-09 16:59 +0200
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:31 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-09 08:37 -0700
      Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:28 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-10 08:38 -0700
        Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-10 09:26 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 09:40 -0700
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 18:36 +0000
          Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-10 15:24 -0700
            Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 07:28 -0700
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-11 16:33 +0200
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 10:50 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 08:48 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:55 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 08:58 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 09:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 09:43 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 16:52 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 10:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 17:08 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-11 10:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:37 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-11 12:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics jgreenfield97@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 22:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:28 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:30 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 12:40 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Jed Serpa <iul@enwlew.lc> - 2018-04-11 19:46 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 14:07 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-11 12:39 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-11 18:56 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 08:57 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 09:50 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-12 18:55 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 10:05 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 10:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 16:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 08:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 18:00 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:09 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:05 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-12 10:19 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 14:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-12 15:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-12 21:24 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 09:23 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 09:29 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 07:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-13 15:14 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 09:59 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 14:11 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:08 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics moroney@world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) - 2018-04-13 19:11 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-13 08:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 12:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 14:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 16:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-13 16:54 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-13 17:19 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 08:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 15:51 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-14 10:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 12:41 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-14 15:37 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 10:33 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 11:24 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-15 11:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 11:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 12:59 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 13:23 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:39 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 20:39 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 09:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 11:38 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 13:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-14 14:48 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 10:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-15 10:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 12:43 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-15 13:40 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-15 22:01 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-15 15:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 13:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-16 14:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 14:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 07:42 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 08:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:33 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 17:45 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 08:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 09:23 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 09:44 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 13:05 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-17 14:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-18 13:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-17 11:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-17 20:17 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:38 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 14:35 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 07:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-15 16:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-16 13:58 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 14:54 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-16 15:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:39 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:10 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 17:13 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:42 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 12:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 13:34 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:07 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-17 21:14 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 15:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-18 11:55 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-18 17:34 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-21 06:19 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-21 09:47 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Erálnì Histickému <no@ovmwk.gn> - 2018-04-21 06:16 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 14:19 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:47 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:57 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 09:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 09:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 15:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-18 21:10 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics pnalsing@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 20:14 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 14:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 14:27 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-17 20:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 10:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 12:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-18 13:53 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:57 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics dancouriann@gmail.com - 2018-04-18 15:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-20 10:13 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 14:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-17 14:37 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 00:18 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 00:37 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 16:42 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Paparios <mrios@ing.puc.cl> - 2018-04-16 17:02 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 17:12 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-17 19:25 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 15:32 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:37 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 18:21 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 19:15 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 19:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-17 04:32 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-16 20:30 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-16 22:52 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-16 23:49 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Steve BH <sbharris@gmail.com> - 2018-04-17 01:28 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-17 02:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-17 08:17 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 15:03 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-18 09:59 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Edward Prochak <edprochak@gmail.com> - 2018-04-18 10:11 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 20:56 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-14 00:09 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 10:16 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 19:20 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 20:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 16:17 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-13 02:03 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 19:16 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "Paul B. Andersen" <relativity@paulba.no> - 2018-04-13 13:25 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Thomas 'PointedEars' Lahn <PointedEars@web.de> - 2018-04-13 19:53 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-17 15:22 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Volney <volney@volney.invalid> - 2018-04-12 12:35 -0400
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 10:08 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-12 22:26 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics kenseto <setoken@att.net> - 2018-04-13 05:51 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics RichD <r_delaney2001@yahoo.com> - 2018-04-11 15:31 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-11 22:38 +0000
              Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-11 19:05 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-12 09:08 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:11 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics rotchm <rotchm@gmail.com> - 2018-04-12 09:46 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-12 23:19 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 03:01 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Python <python@python.invalid> - 2018-04-13 12:16 +0200
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-13 08:29 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-13 15:53 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-13 09:26 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Tom Roberts <tjroberts137@sbcglobal.net> - 2018-04-13 22:34 -0500
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Odd Bodkin <bodkinodd@gmail.com> - 2018-04-14 12:23 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics mlwozniak@wp.pl - 2018-04-14 08:20 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Rusty Willard <wuut@yaiw.wu> - 2018-04-14 15:33 +0000
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics Ed Lake <detect@newsguy.com> - 2018-04-14 09:33 -0700
                Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics "David (Kronos Prime) Fuller" <fuller.david@hotmail.com> - 2018-04-14 10:11 -0700
  Re: The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics JanPB <filmart@gmail.com> - 2018-04-09 13:24 -0700
  The #4 Dumbest Belief in Physics KronosPrime@outlook.com - 2018-04-10 10:01 -0700

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