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Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958)

From Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958)
Date 2015-12-22 19:33 -0500
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On Tue, 22 Dec 2015, Peter Flass wrote:

> Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote:
>> On Tue, 22 Dec 2015, hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, December 21, 2015 at 5:48:34 PM UTC-5, Lawrence Statton wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've got about 40 vintage televisions, mostly post-war through the
>>>> 1960s and none of them use 'continuous tuning' on VHF.  In fact, the
>>>> only ones I have that DO are much, much later (80s) like the Watchman
>>>> and the TV80.  My oldest set, is a 1939 Andrea and has the 'three
>>>> channel' mod applied. (Upgrade from the original TWO channel selector).
>>>
>>> Around 1947, TV transmission standards were changed.  The people
>>> who already owned TV sets had to get them converted, but it appears
>>> the manufacturers were willing to pay for the conversion.
>>>
>> ANd so did the FM band.  I have the impression the FM broadcast band was
>> doing better than tv as WWII started up, a lot more receivers.  And after
>> the war, things got rearranged, so the FM broadcast band was shifted from
>> something like 44 to 50MHz up to 88 to 108MHz (where it is now), making
>> any existing receiver useless unless it was modified or a converter added
>> to it.
>>
>> Some argue that that was fatal for the FM broadcast band, it took a good
>> long time to recover, and it seems like it was the late sixtiesh and
>> "underground radio" that caused FM to boom.
>
> FM has much better sound quality, but it is a lot like digital TV - you
> either get the signal or you don't, there is no "almost".  AM is like
> analog TV - you can tweak the tuning to get at least something, if not a
> great signal.
>
Armstrong was building an FM network before the war, and one component was 
that at frequencies below 50MHz, where the FM band was originally, he'd 
intended to use the broadcast transmitter to get the network feed to the 
next location.  It apparently was working, though it was limited area.

But much of that work was erased when the band was moved after the war. 
The old receivers were no longer good, the momentum gone, and I'm not sure 
Armstrong rebuilt his network for the new band.  So while he was backing 
it before the war, it was haphazard afterwards.  So it became the place of 
classical music (which is logical) but that wasn't mainstream enough.  So 
a lot of FM stations after the war were marginal profit centres, if not 
losers, dependent on a successful AM station to pay the bills.  TV got 
lots of rules to support it (like the requirement that tv sets after a 
certain point must include UHF reception), FM didn't, so there was no rule 
that said AM radios had to include the FM band.  If people can't listen, 
then they won't tune in.  FM became kind of a wasteland.

So Tom Donahue got things rolling by buying time on an FM station in San 
Francisco, then getting advertisers and hiring announcers.  It really took 
off, so either that station became a rock station all the time, or they 
moved to another station that became a rock station.  And others followed. 
That gave a lot more reason to buy an FM radio, which of course probably 
meant more AM/FM radios available.

Now, nobody wants AM, and at least here, there is no more space for local 
FM stations, and we've lost some not so local stations because the 
frequencies have been used up by local stations.

   Michael

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Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-14 08:28 -0800
  REPOST Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-14 08:33 -0800
  Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-14 11:54 -0500
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-14 17:07 -0800
      Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-14 23:25 -0500
        Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-15 18:38 -0800
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-14 17:11 -0800
      Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-14 20:07 -0800
        Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-14 23:29 -0500
          Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-15 00:15 -0600
  Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-14 11:08 -0600
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-14 17:57 +0000
  Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) jhhaynes@earthlink.net - 2015-12-15 15:54 -0800
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 19:12 -0500
      Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-15 19:41 -0600
      Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) isw <isw@witzend.com> - 2015-12-15 23:07 -0800
        Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-16 14:32 -0600
          Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-16 22:59 +0000
            Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-17 07:30 -0800
              Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 15:07 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-17 13:06 -0800
          Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 14:56 -0500
            Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 14:12 -0600
              Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-18 19:43 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-20 01:43 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-20 10:16 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-20 10:58 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 14:13 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:17 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 19:24 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-12-21 18:03 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-22 17:29 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-22 14:03 +0100
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 12:39 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 14:37 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:45 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-23 10:53 +0000
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-23 23:42 +0100
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-21 21:48 +0000
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:41 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 11:22 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-21 17:29 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 13:58 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:07 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-21 15:40 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 17:09 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-21 17:29 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-21 17:03 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 19:28 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-22 15:46 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 19:13 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-12-23 23:25 +0100
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 17:04 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 13:56 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:10 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-21 21:48 +0000
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:42 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-22 16:03 +0000
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 11:25 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 16:48 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-21 17:37 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 18:25 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 07:46 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 11:24 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-22 11:28 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-22 15:20 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:51 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-23 17:18 +0000
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:33 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 09:47 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-22 15:17 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 13:31 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-22 16:48 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-22 17:43 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-22 19:35 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) tracymnelson@gmail.com - 2015-12-23 11:55 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:50 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 18:56 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-23 02:38 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-23 13:55 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-23 14:12 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 12:28 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 11:06 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-22 15:58 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 12:24 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 11:09 -0800
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