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Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958)

From "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net>
Newsgroups alt.folklore.computers
Subject Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958)
Date 2015-12-20 10:58 -0600
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"Michael Black" wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Dec 2015, Quadibloc wrote:
>
>> On Friday, December 18, 2015 at 5:39:37 PM UTC-7, Michael Black wrote:
>>
>>> TV channels are not all spaced together, there's a gap between channel 6
>>> and channel 7, and I can't remember if it's continuous to channel 13. 
>>> UHF
>>> is separate, but it's one single chunk of spectrum.
>>>
>>> So I think the "continuous tuning" tv sets from the early days, actually
>>> did tune through it all, you were just supposed to ignore what wasn't 
>>> tv.
>>> I'm not sure, it would depend on whether there was a bandswitch or not.
>>
>> In the early days, TV channels were even spaced differently!
>>
>> http://www.quadibloc.com/science/freqint.htm
>>
> I forgot.
>
> So the "continuous tuning" sets were gone after the current channel 
> arrangement came into being?

No.  I think there is more than one conversation going on here,"old" vs 
"real old"

Starting ca. 1946 there were channels 2-13.  There were gaps between those 
channels, some very big.  I would call that "Classic TV".  IIRC there were 
continuous tuners that covered the range.  One of the gaps, between 6 and 7 
was so big the (*entire* FM band fitted in the gap.).  Later on, UHF 14-84 
was added.  The switch to high definition, say ten years ago, assigned new 
channel allocations, it changed the modulation technique and most anything 
that could be changed.

In the classic era, the most popular tuner covered 2-13 with a switch with 
detents and then a "fine tuning" knob to finesse the tuning. I thought the 
continuous tuner was much better,  with the standard tuner deposits would 
form on the contacts and keeping them clean was a PITA.  Huge numbers of 
people smoked then and that may have made the problem worse, I don't know. 
I do know for sure that I could find a slight yellow film on stuff in my 
house. I expect cooking grease was also a contaminant.

I am positive there was never a TV that covered ch 2-84 in one sweep.

Getting good physical contacts is hard. I watched several experiments, over 
a period of years, trying to perfect computer plugboards (No grease there, 
but no smoking either.)  They cladded the contacts with various exotic 
material, rhodium is the only one that sticks in my mind.  Gold works but it 
is expensive. As far as I know the problem was never solved.  We went to 
stored program computers instead. Standard practice was, if the program 
didn't work right, go over and shake the hell out of the plugboard.

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Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-14 08:28 -0800
  REPOST Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-14 08:33 -0800
  Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-14 11:54 -0500
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-14 17:07 -0800
      Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-14 23:25 -0500
        Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-15 18:38 -0800
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-14 17:11 -0800
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        Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-14 23:29 -0500
          Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-15 00:15 -0600
  Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-14 11:08 -0600
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-12-14 17:57 +0000
  Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) jhhaynes@earthlink.net - 2015-12-15 15:54 -0800
    Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-15 19:12 -0500
      Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-15 19:41 -0600
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        Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-16 14:32 -0600
          Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-16 22:59 +0000
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              Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 15:07 -0500
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          Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-17 14:56 -0500
            Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-17 14:12 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-12-21 14:13 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-21 13:17 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 19:24 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-12-21 18:03 -0800
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-12-22 14:37 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-12-23 10:53 +0000
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 11:22 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-21 17:29 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 17:09 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-21 17:29 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-21 17:03 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 19:28 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-21 18:25 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 11:24 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-22 11:28 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-22 15:20 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:51 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-12-23 17:18 +0000
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:33 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 09:47 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-22 15:17 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) hancock4@bbs.cpcn.com - 2015-12-22 13:31 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-12-22 16:48 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Jon Elson <jmelson@wustl.edu> - 2015-12-22 17:43 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-12-22 19:35 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-12-22 19:50 -0500
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 18:56 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2015-12-23 02:38 -0800
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-12-23 13:55 -0600
                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-23 14:12 -0600
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                Re: Amperex #6977 subminiature indcator tube (1958) Lawrence Statton <lawrence@senguio.mx> - 2015-12-22 12:24 -0600
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