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| From | Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: [Poll] Computing favorities |
| Date | 2015-10-12 13:48 -0400 |
| Organization | National Capital Freenet, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada |
| Message-ID | <alpine.LNX.2.02.1510121341260.17026@darkstar.example.org> (permalink) |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2015, jmfbahciv wrote: > Charlie Gibbs wrote: >> On 2015-10-11, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >> >>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015, jmfbahciv wrote: >>> >>>> Did it include the phases of the moon? I could not find a 2015 calendar >>>> which had them; I wasn't going to spend $8 on one just to see those >>>> expensive calendars were real calendars. >>>> >>> I hadnt' thought about that. But it wasn't uncommon years back to have >>> the phase of the moon on a calendar, but I havent' noticed it in some >>> years. >> >> I suspect that most people no longer care about celestial phenomena (aside >> from the Kardashians). They're too busy staring at their smartphones to >> look at the sky anyway. >> > I started noticing the absence about 4 years ago. Last year every > calendar I looked at didn't have the phases. I couldn't tell if the > super expensive calenders sold at B&N had the data. It marks an > indication of useful knowledge being lost, e.g., no farming > knowledge of any kind. > The calendars are all sealed up, on the level of coffee table books, rather than function. You can see the pictures, which are the key selling point, because they print them on the back of the calendar as a lure to get people to buy them. But then you can't open the calendar to see if it has things like phases of the moon. > I've always noticed phases of the moon. Some holidays are determined > by moon phases within a season. People plant based on the moon phase. > YOu could write a program, or use an existing one. That sort of thing is fairly available. I think Emacs lets you see the phase of the moon, I've never used it other than to poke around and see what features like that it includes. I thought I saw a "weatherstation" the other day that showed the phase of the moon. My Garmin GPS receiver gives the time of sunrise and sunset, which is one of the things that would be nice to get in a program. Run it in the morning and get the sunrise and sunset, and the phase of the moon. That's why I had that book about astronomy on the calculator out, I'm not sure where it is now. It showed all you needed, it would be relatively simple to put it all together as a single program. Of course, with the internet, this sort of thing is fairly available. Some of those weather sites provide such things. Michael
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Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-11 13:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-11 14:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:52 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-11 22:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 20:05 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 05:26 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:59 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 01:19 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-13 12:27 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 13:40 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 23:17 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:02 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:16 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-13 17:39 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-13 12:51 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 14:41 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:35 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 22:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:32 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-15 16:25 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-15 20:07 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-16 10:46 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 08:58 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-16 13:52 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-12 13:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-12 08:49 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 10:39 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 19:03 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-13 20:44 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:24 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:51 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-12 20:34 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-13 07:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-13 09:01 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 09:43 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-13 15:19 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 10:21 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-13 13:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-12 15:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:38 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:03 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:26 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:47 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-15 16:27 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-16 07:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-16 13:55 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-16 18:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:35 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-17 07:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 13:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-19 15:14 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-20 07:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-16 16:47 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-16 14:26 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-14 13:00 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:00 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-15 16:44 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:04 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-16 18:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-17 15:58 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-18 17:37 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 11:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 13:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-19 15:28 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:30 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 06:31 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 09:04 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:54 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:59 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 10:22 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 20:42 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 21:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 22:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-12 18:08 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:15 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 20:17 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:12 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:22 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-13 20:06 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:38 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-16 22:33 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 10:38 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:40 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-12 13:48 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 16:04 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-13 12:25 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 15:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 11:30 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:38 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:51 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-14 21:16 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:14 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-12 16:19 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-13 00:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 01:33 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 16:00 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-13 07:46 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-13 11:42 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:53 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:08 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-14 12:17 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:44 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-16 21:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-19 15:19 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-19 20:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:57 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 20:16 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-13 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:20 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-16 21:33 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 07:03 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-15 23:04 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:04 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-16 20:24 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-17 19:06 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-17 18:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-17 21:31 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:45 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-17 06:47 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 05:00 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-10-24 15:23 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:49 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-13 20:47 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:54 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 06:29 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-15 14:42 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 11:21 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:04 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:32 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-13 10:00 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 15:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-14 13:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-14 17:35 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-14 18:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:42 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-14 21:20 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-15 06:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:40 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:47 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-11 15:11 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-11 15:01 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-10-12 19:56 +0000
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