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| From | "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> |
|---|---|
| Newsgroups | alt.folklore.computers |
| Subject | Re: [Poll] Computing favorities |
| Date | 2015-10-15 08:54 +1100 |
| Message-ID | <d88183FhjanU1@mid.individual.net> (permalink) |
| References | (16 earlier) <mvh6ok$r2t$2@dont-email.me> <9omo1b1pbtkf63bgtvj9evhr50lbsg55kj@4ax.com> <PM000521FBADABBF0D@aca20236.ipt.aol.com> <lr7Tx.16673$p53.3874@fx07.iad> <PM0005221107C54E0D@aca479f3.ipt.aol.com> |
"jmfbahciv" <See.above@aol.com> wrote in message news:PM0005221107C54E0D@aca479f3.ipt.aol.com... > Scott Lurndal wrote: >> jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> writes: >>>JimP wrote: >>>> On Mon, 12 Oct 2015 15:57:51 -0500, "Charles Richmond" >>>> <numerist@aquaporin4.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>>"Charlie Gibbs" <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>news:mven85023m7@news7.newsguy.com... >>>>>> On 2015-10-11, Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, 11 Oct 2015, jmfbahciv wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did it include the phases of the moon? I could not find a 2015 > calendar >>>>>>>> which had them; I wasn't going to spend $8 on one just to see those >>>>>>>> expensive calendars were real calendars. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hadnt' thought about that. But it wasn't uncommon years back to >>>>>>> have >>>>>>> the phase of the moon on a calendar, but I havent' noticed it in >>>>>>> some >>>>>>> years. >>>>>> >>>>>> I suspect that most people no longer care about celestial phenomena > (aside >>>>>> from the Kardashians). They're too busy staring at their smartphones >>>>>> to >>>>>> look at the sky anyway. >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>>Anyway, I'm sure that the smart phones have an app for the phases of >>>>>the >>>>>moon. ;-) >>>> >>>> There is an app that you point your cell phone at the night sky, and >>>> the app tells you the names of the constellations and some of the >>>> stars. >>> >>>How does it do that? GPS gives a location but not a direction...right? >> >> Camera. Nope. > I thought about that but dismissed it because there isn't enough light. Modern smartphones don’t need much light at all, that would work fine light wise, but its much better to use the location and compass and orientation sensors. That works fine even inside and when the sky is covered in cloud so you know where to look in breaks in the cloud etc.
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Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-11 13:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-11 14:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-11 10:52 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-11 22:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-11 20:05 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 05:26 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:59 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 01:19 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-13 12:27 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 13:40 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-13 23:17 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:02 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:16 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-13 17:39 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-13 12:51 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 14:41 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:35 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 22:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:32 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-15 16:25 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-15 20:07 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-16 10:46 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 08:58 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-16 13:52 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-12 13:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-12 08:49 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-12 16:41 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 10:39 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-13 18:23 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 19:03 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-13 20:44 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:24 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:51 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-12 20:34 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-13 07:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-13 09:01 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 09:43 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities David Hume <David.Hume@example.com> - 2015-10-13 15:19 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dan Espen <despen@verizon.net> - 2015-10-13 10:21 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-13 13:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-12 15:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:38 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:03 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:26 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 05:47 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-15 16:27 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-16 07:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-16 13:55 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-16 18:14 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:35 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-17 07:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-19 13:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-19 15:14 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Stan Barr <plan.b@bluesomatic.org> - 2015-10-20 07:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-16 16:47 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-16 14:26 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities simon@twoplaces.co.uk (Simon Turner) - 2015-10-14 13:00 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-14 10:00 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-14 14:20 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-15 16:44 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:04 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-16 18:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-17 15:58 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-18 17:37 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 11:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-18 13:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-18 19:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "78lp" <78lp@nospam.com> - 2015-10-19 15:28 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:30 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 06:31 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 09:04 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:54 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:59 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 10:22 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 20:42 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Huge <Huge@nowhere.much.invalid> - 2015-10-12 21:40 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-12 22:39 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-12 18:08 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:15 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 20:17 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:12 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-13 17:22 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-13 20:06 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:38 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-16 22:33 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 10:38 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-13 20:40 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-12 13:48 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 16:04 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-13 12:25 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 15:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 11:30 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:38 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:51 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-14 21:16 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Michael Black <et472@ncf.ca> - 2015-10-13 12:14 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Gene Wirchenko <genew@telus.net> - 2015-10-12 16:19 -0700
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-13 00:17 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Mike Spencer <mds@bogus.nodomain.nowhere> - 2015-10-13 01:33 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 16:00 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> - 2015-10-13 07:46 +0100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-13 11:42 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:53 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-13 20:08 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Joy Beeson <jbeeson@invalid.net.invalid> - 2015-10-14 12:17 -0300
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:44 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-16 21:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-19 15:19 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-19 20:45 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-12 15:57 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities JimP <solosam90@gmail.com> - 2015-10-12 20:16 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-13 12:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2015-10-13 13:12 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities rpw3@rpw3.org (Rob Warnock) - 2015-10-13 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-14 16:20 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:09 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-16 21:33 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 07:03 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-15 23:04 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:04 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-16 20:24 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-17 11:18 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-17 19:06 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Greymaus <mausg@mail.com> - 2015-10-17 18:34 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-17 21:31 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:45 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-17 06:47 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-18 05:00 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Bill Cunningham" <nospam@nspam.invalid> - 2015-10-24 15:23 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:49 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Morten Reistad <first@last.name.invalid> - 2015-10-13 20:47 +0200
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-15 08:54 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-15 12:54 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 06:29 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Osmium" <r124c4u102@comcast.net> - 2015-10-15 14:42 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-16 11:21 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-16 13:04 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-17 15:32 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-13 10:00 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-14 14:02 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 15:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Walter Banks <walter@bytecraft.com> - 2015-10-14 13:24 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-14 17:35 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-14 18:21 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-14 18:48 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:42 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Dave Garland <dave.garland@wizinfo.com> - 2015-10-14 21:20 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Bob Eager <news0005@eager.cx> - 2015-10-15 06:49 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Charlie Gibbs <cgibbs@kltpzyxm.invalid> - 2015-10-15 17:51 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Charles Richmond" <numerist@aquaporin4.com> - 2015-10-16 14:40 -0500
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities jmfbahciv <See.above@aol.com> - 2015-10-17 13:22 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities "Rod Speed" <rod.speed.aaa@gmail.com> - 2015-10-14 12:47 +1100
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Rich <rich@example.invalid> - 2015-10-11 15:11 +0000
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities Peter Flass <peter_flass@yahoo.com> - 2015-10-11 15:01 -0400
Re: [Poll] Computing favorities pechter@S20.pechter.dyndns.org (William Pechter) - 2015-10-12 19:56 +0000
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