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Re: Words have power

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Subject Re: Words have power
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Newsgroups sci.physics.relativity
Date 2026-10-17 17:57 +0000
Organization Nemoweb
From Python <python@cccp.invalid>

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> When you're calling circles (great circles of
> a sphere) "straight lines" - you're getting
> another (riemannian) geometry.

No. This sentence displays the confusion perfectly.

Take a sphere with its spherical metric. Its geodesics are great circles.

Nobody obtains spherical geometry by first taking Euclidean circles and
then CALLING them straight lines.

The metric determines the geodesics.

And "great circle" and "straight line" aren't even contradictory here:
the first describes the set as embedded in Euclidean 3-space; the second,
if used, describes its intrinsic geodesic role on the surface.

An ant constrained to the sphere and following a geodesic does not turn
left or right within its surface merely because YOU, looking from R^3,
see a circle.

So after several rounds we have finally located the problem:

    extrinsic Euclidean shape = circle
    intrinsic geodesic        = "straight"

You see two descriptions and think mathematicians renamed one into the
other.

They didn't.

And then you repeat exactly the same category error with clocks.

Even better, after being given references, your response was literally
that you didn't read them.

This is no longer a disagreement about advanced mathematics.

It's a refusal to learn the elementary mathematics required for your
own analogy.

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Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 09:11 +0200
  Re: Words have power Truman Babichev <avbb@bi.ru> - 2026-10-17 09:58 +0000
  Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 13:08 +0000
    Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:25 +0200
      Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:32 +0000
        Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:46 +0200
          Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 16:49 +0000
            Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 18:55 +0200
              Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:04 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:14 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:18 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:21 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:23 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:29 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:31 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:36 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:38 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:44 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:46 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 19:55 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 17:57 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:09 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:39 +0000
                Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 19:03 -0700
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:50 +0200
                Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 11:24 -0700
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 20:44 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 21:54 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:45 +0200
                Re: Words have power The Starmaker <starmaker@ix.netcom.com> - 2026-10-17 15:56 -0700
                Re: Words have power Russell Bahmutoff <sm@temar.ru> - 2026-10-17 19:17 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:19 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:46 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-17 23:37 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 07:47 +0200
                Re: Words have power Kevvy Ruzaev <vvavv@vrzrz.ru> - 2026-10-18 07:51 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 10:16 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 13:54 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 11:57 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:10 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:13 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:20 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:23 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:28 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-18 12:36 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:39 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 14:44 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 10:43 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:05 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:21 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 13:53 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 14:19 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 14:44 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 15:16 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 15:49 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:02 +0200
                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 14:06 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 16:26 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-19 16:42 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 18:51 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:02 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-19 19:11 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 10:26 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-20 09:25 +0000
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-20 12:32 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 17:03 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-21 17:16 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-22 15:23 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 18:35 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 18:55 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-22 19:31 +0200
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                Re: Words have power Python <python@cccp.invalid> - 2026-10-23 11:55 +0000
                Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-23 13:56 +0200
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      Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-17 22:47 +0200
      Re: Words have power Ross Finlayson <ross.a.finlayson@gmail.com> - 2026-10-17 19:00 -0700
        Re: Words have power nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) - 2026-10-18 12:30 +0200
          Re: Words have power Maciej Woźniak <mlwozniak@wp.pl> - 2026-10-18 12:42 +0200
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