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| Subject | Re: YASID: Different value for pi |
| From | Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> |
| References | (7 earlier) <e1064514-08c0-4174-9cd1-18ad0f144d46@googlegroups.com> <XnsA99F9D0272FC5taustingmail@69.16.179.43> <XnsA99FE7CA05A00melchizedek@216.166.97.131> <sjq7vdpt0cu770jtt52los1uf903it2ca4@4ax.com> <4c3b23a0-b66c-400a-82da-54a012450ddf@googlegroups.com> |
| Message-ID | <XnsA9A092E3FAAD7taustingmail@69.16.179.43> (permalink) |
| Organization | Forte - www.forteinc.com |
| Date | 2018-11-20 14:26 -0700 |
Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
news:4c3b23a0-b66c-400a-82da-54a012450ddf@googlegroups.com:
> On Tuesday, November 20, 2018 at 6:13:54 AM UTC-5, J. Clarke
> wrote:
>> On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 21:47:10 -0600, Cryptoengineer
>> <treifamily@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> wrote
>> >in news:XnsA99F9D0272FC5taustingmail@69.16.179.43:
>> >
>> >> Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:e1064514-08c0-4174-9cd1-18ad0f144d46@googlegroups.com:
>> >>
>> >>> On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 3:28:45 PM UTC-5, Jibini
>> >>> Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha wrote:
>> >>>> J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> wrote in
>> >>>> news:m756vdlhn5k6gh0c4agnn5f5deabs25nlu@4ax.com:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> > On Mon, 19 Nov 2018 07:45:38 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
>> >>>> > <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> >>On Monday, November 19, 2018 at 6:56:21 AM UTC-7, J.
>> >>>> >>Clarke wrote:
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>> So you are certain that somewhere in Pi is something
>> >>>> >>> that
>> >>>> >>> (a) looks like a message from God, in English,
>> >>>> >>> (b) has an index showing where in Pi to find the
>> >>>> >>> same message
>> >>>> >>> in French, Spanish, Arabic, Chinese, Sanskrit,
>> >>>> >>> Swahili, Nahuatl, and every other language, with all
>> >>>> >>> of the indices being accurate
>> >>>> >>> (c) has the location in the constant "e", another
>> >>>> >>> transcendental number, in which the same message may
>> >>>> >>> be found
>> >>>> >>>
>> >>>> >>> I'm sorry, but that's pushing randomness a bit far.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>It's perfectly possible for the digits of pi to contain
>> >>>> >>all those things, if pi is normal, without it being in
>> >>>> >>the least remarkable.
>> >>>> >>
>> >>>> >>However, in order for it not to be remarkable... being
>> >>>> >>able to calculate pi to enough digits to see those
>> >>>> >>things would require a computer larger than the whole
>> >>>> >>universe.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> > How do you know how large a computer it would take? And
>> >>>> > no, I don't buy that the multiple indexing would occur
>> >>>> > in random values of _any_ length.
>> >>>> >
>> >>>> If pi is truly random, and truly infinite, then such
>> >>>> things _must_ be in there *somewhere*. Otherwise, it is
>> >>>> not one of those two things. However, so far, we have only
>> >>>> calculated less than three trillion digits, which is a
>> >>>> trifle compared to infinity.
>> >>>
>> >>> At 3 trillion decimal digits, there's around a 50%
>> >>> probability of containing any given string of bits up to 41
>> >>> bits long (I await correction).
>> >>>
>> >> 41 bits is less than six characters in ASCII.
>> >>
>> >> I'm a bit skeptical that even an all powerful, all knowing
>> >> deity could implant much of an earth-shattering message in
>> >> five and a half letters.
>> >
>> >Let me correct that slightly. 3 trillion bits has a 50% chance
>> >of containing any give 41 bit string. Shorter strings are, of
>> >course more likely.
>> >
>> >3 trillion decimal digits is about 10 trillion bits.
>> >At that size, you have a 50% chance of finding any 43 bit
>> >sequence.
>>
>> FWIW, wiki says that the most recent calculation of pi was to
>> 22,459,157,718,361 digits. A 72 core Xeon machine took 105
>> days to do that.
>
> That will get you another 3-4 bits.
>
That puts us up to *almost* six full letters!
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Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 08:10 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2018-12-05 08:56 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-12-05 11:01 -0700
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-12-05 15:56 -0800
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Re: YASID: Different value for pi Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2018-11-19 15:44 -0700
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Re: YASID: Different value for pi "Gary R. Schmidt" <grschmidt@acm.org> - 2018-11-19 21:57 +1100
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-26 16:43 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-26 22:07 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-11-26 14:10 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-26 23:00 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2018-11-26 15:11 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2018-11-26 15:38 -0800
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-26 17:52 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi scott@slp53.sl.home (Scott Lurndal) - 2018-11-27 00:27 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-27 00:53 +0000
Re: YASID: Different value for pi Alan Baker <nunya@ness.biz> - 2018-11-26 22:11 -0500
Re: YASID: Different value for pi ted@loft.tnolan.com (Ted Nolan <tednolan>) - 2018-11-27 04:09 +0000
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