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| Subject | Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" |
| From | Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> |
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| Date | 2017-12-01 14:29 -0700 |
William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> wrote in
news:83bb1f5d-6386-44c1-bd84-7ba4d6a68301@googlegroups.com:
> On Friday, December 1, 2017 at 11:54:04 AM UTC-5, D B Davis
> wrote:
>> Scott Lurndal <scott@slp53.sl.home> wrote:
>> > Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> writes:
>> >>On Monday, November 27, 2017 at 10:35:07 PM UTC-7, D B Davis
>> >>wrote:
>> >>> Mass media first
>> >>> promoted a global warming apocalypse at least 143 years
>> >>> ago.
>> >>
>> >>That would have been in 1874.
>> >
>> > Well, 1896 anyway
>> > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Svante_Arrhenius>
>> >
>>
>> "Science is the belief in the ignorance of experts" - Richard
>> Feynman
>>
>> Almost 40 years ago, Bryson
>
> First, show a little respect. This is Reid Bryson, professor of
> meteorology and old-school climatologist at U of Wisconsin.
>
> Seriously, it's not Bill Bryson.
>
> stood before the American Association
>> for the Advancement of Science and presented a paper saying
>> human activity could alter climate.
>
>> "I was laughed off the platform for saying that," he told
>> Wisconsin Energy Cooperative News.
>
> This would be about 1968. As Manabe had already (1965)
> published the first modern estimates of global warming due to a
> doubling of CO2 I don't think he was laughed at for that. As
> Manabe recalled it:
>
> "In the early 1960's, we developed a radiative-convective model
> of the atmosphere, and explored the role of greenhouse gases
> such as water vapor, carbon dioxide and ozone in maintaining and
> changing the thermal structure of the atmosphere. This was the
> beginning of the long-term research on global warming..."
>
> Bryson, with many achievements to his credit, did have a
> tendency to spout "facts" which were a bit dubious, as seen
> below. A few of those before the wrong audience, and yes, he
> might be laughed at.
>
>
>> In the 1960s, Bryson's idea was widely considered a radical
>> proposition.
>
> The facts show otherwise.
>
> But nowadays things have turned almost in the
>> opposite direction: Hardly a day passes without some
>> authority figure claiming that whatever the climate happens
>> to be doing, human activity must be part of the
>> explanation. And once again, Bryson is challenging the
>> conventional wisdom. ...
>>
>> Q: Could you rank the things that have the most significant
>> impact
>> and where would you put carbon dioxide on the list?
>>
>> A: Well let me give you one fact first. In the first 30
>> feet of
>> the atmosphere, on the average, outward radiation from
>> the Earth, which is what CO2 is supposed to affect, how
>> much [of the reflected energy] is absorbed by water
>> vapor? In the first 30 feet, 80 percent, okay?
>>
>> Q: Eighty percent of the heat radiated back from the
>> surface is
>> absorbed in the first 30 feet by water vapor...
>
> And here we have the first "fact". A highly prized quote, it's
> all over the internet. It' also quite irrelevant. (I also
> suspect it's just plain wrong, but as nobody ever gives a source
> for it it's hard to check).
>
> As I've explained before, saturation simply does not matter.
> The mean free path of the photon does. Shorten that, and the
> insulating effect increases.
>
> And as Gilbert Plass showed in the 1950s (without being laughed
> off any podium) the upper atmosphere, whence our IR escapes to
> space, is very far from saturated, and increasing CO2 there can
> warm the planet, even without the water-vapor feedback effect.
>
> (For the technically able: how big a problem is IR absorption
> for infrared cameras? If 80% of the signal was absorbed - and
> re-emitted - within 30 feet I'd expect problems, but I've no
> idea how far these things can see in the lower atmosphere.)
>
>> A: And how much is absorbed by carbon dioxide? Eight
>> hundredths
>> of one percent. One one-thousandth as important as water
>> vapor.
>
> Our second "fact". Again, not true or relevant, again because
> the atmosphere is not well characterized by its bottom 30 feet.
>
>> You can go outside and spit and have the same effect as
>> doubling carbon dioxide.
>
> Third "fact", also untrue. And shows a strange, for a
> meteorologist, ignorance of the different physical properties of
> CO2 and H2O. The latter undergoes a number of phase transitions
> in the atmosphere, and excess is removed quickly, while CO2 is
> removed by a far slower process, with much of it hanging around
> for centuries. CO2 accumulates in the atmosphere, H2O does not.
>
>>
>> This begs questions
>
> First, that's not what question-begging means. The previously
> high standards of the Wisconsin Cooperative Energy News seem to
> be slipping.
>
> about the widely publicized mathematical
>> models researchers run through supercomputers
>
> Well, first we create them. And what we put into them is also
> well known, available for criticism by the community. The
> passage of IR through the atmosphere is calculated via equations
> that have been known for over a century. The same equations
> used everywhere in our wireless world. Maybe that's why you get
> those dropped calls? The Global Warming Conspiracy has the
> telephone companies using it's Fake Equations!
>
> to generate climate
>> scenarios 50 or 100 years in the future. Bryson says the
>> data fed into the computers overemphasizes carbon dioxide
>
> Let's be kind and say that it was the reporter's incompetence
> here, not Bryson's.
>
> and accounts
>> poorly for the effects of clouds - water vapor. Asked to
>> evaluate the models' long-range predictive ability, he
>> answers with another question: "Do you believe a five-day
>> forecast?"
>
> Actually, seven day forecasts around here are now pretty good.
>
> But Bryson, weirdly, fails to note the difference between
> climate and weather. The latter is chaotic, the former not.
> The accuracy or otherwise of longer range weather forecasting
> has nothing to do with the accuracy of climate models.
>
> I attended one of Bryson's seminars long ago. It was quite
> reasonable (though I doubt one of the facts he used, especially
> now). This exploitative interview with a very old Bryson did
> him no favours.
>
I am curious as to your thoughts on the retreating glaciers
uncovering remains of old ruins going back hundreds, if not
thousands, of years, suggesting that glaciers have retreated
before, possibly more than once, long before the industrial age.
Not a climate question, as such, but one dependent on climate
change.
--
Terry Austin
Vacation photos from Iceland:
https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB
"Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
-- David Bilek
Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-06 22:15 -0800
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 13:29 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Kevrob <kevrob@my-deja.com> - 2017-12-07 10:47 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 10:51 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 14:10 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 20:14 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 10:50 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 22:48 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:44 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 03:40 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 09:02 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 13:33 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 16:47 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Siberian Sheep Shipper <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:14 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 18:01 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-07 14:15 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" David DeLaney <daviddelaney@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 02:44 -0600
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-08 10:41 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2017-12-08 22:16 +0200
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 12:31 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-08 16:47 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-08 23:57 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-08 16:12 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Siberian Sheep Shipper <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-07 14:13 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-07 17:57 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-11 05:19 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> - 2017-12-11 07:59 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 21:20 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Cryptoengineer <treifamily@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 21:17 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-12-11 22:52 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2017-12-12 08:45 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2017-12-31 22:13 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2018-01-01 18:25 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Greg Goss <gossg@gossg.org> - 2018-01-02 06:48 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "nuny@bid.nes" <alien8752@gmail.com> - 2018-01-02 13:20 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" "Keith F. Lynch" <kfl@KeithLynch.net> - 2018-01-03 02:40 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Peter Trei <petertrei@gmail.com> - 2018-01-02 05:59 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 11:05 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 11:16 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-05 23:28 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Michael A Terrell <mike.terrell@earthlink.net> - 2017-12-06 02:46 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Lawrence Watt-Evans <misenchantedpress@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 03:09 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Robert Carnegie <rja.carnegie@excite.com> - 2017-12-06 01:43 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:35 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 08:34 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:44 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:40 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-06 13:01 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Moriarty <blues95@ivillage.com> - 2017-12-06 13:24 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" D B Davis <g@crcomp.net> - 2017-12-06 23:56 +0000
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-12-06 16:40 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" William Hyde <wthyde1953@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:42 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> - 2017-12-05 11:25 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming "Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-12-05 11:46 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Richard Hershberger <rrhersh@gmail.com> - 2017-11-28 05:54 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Juho Julkunen <giaotanj@hotmail.com> - 2017-11-28 17:19 +0200
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-29 15:23 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" David Johnston <davidjohnston29@yahoo.com> - 2017-11-29 15:07 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-29 17:44 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-11-30 16:37 -0800
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ?Apocalypse?" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 21:27 -0600
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 17:58 -0600
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Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-11-30 16:36 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 20:44 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming Apocalypse" Gutless Umbrella Carrying Sissy <taustinca@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 18:45 -0700
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-12-01 12:53 -0600
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" hamish.laws@gmail.com - 2017-11-30 18:47 -0800
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming Apocalypse" J. Clarke <jclarke.873638@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 23:18 -0500
Re: "After 30 Years, Alarmists Are Still Predicting A Global Warming ‘Apocalypse’" Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> - 2017-11-30 21:30 -0600
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